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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

While true, how much troubleshooting does windows require? Because as I sometimes use windows, it's not that much less work to get it to do what you want it to do, or solve issues, than linux.

Especially since it feels like windows tries to fight you every step of the way.

[–] echo64 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When windows needs fixing, people take it to the best buy genius bar or whatever

[–] pete_the_cat 10 points 1 year ago

Most distributions require little to no troubleshooting, and if they do, someone has probably already posted the solution online. It's pretty rare these days that you run into a problem that someone else hasn't and you're stuck figuring it out yourself.

The only pain point is trying to find the Linux equivalent of the Windows apps that you commonly use. Web browsers are the exact same, but that's about it. A fair amount of apps to offer Linux counterparts though.

[–] CeeBee 7 points 1 year ago

While true, how much troubleshooting does windows require?

A surprising amount

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It depends on ehat youre trying to do. If you are teying to debloat it, of course you go out of your way, but it has the reverse problem for most drivers, where youre almost guaranteed to plug in an arbitrary USB device, and itll probably have drivers or software in the windows environment.

Linux is great. With the caveat that you specifically pick hardware that works well in Linux for it, else you have the problem of "a choice fighting you every step of the way"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Linux is easily fixed but the problem is that the issues that crop up needing to be fixed are generally not pain points on Windows. The first Arch install I did this year was busted and I thought I had broken my networking setup because it wouldn't connect, but the issue was that the system clock was wrong. Something like that may pop up in Windows but you can quickly press the sync time and date button in the settings and it'll sort itself out, while Arch requires a lot more work than just that, especially if it has no connectivity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

...I've certainly had that issue on windows as well. I had to manually set the time. Windows sync at least didn't use to always work.

[–] pete_the_cat 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been using Linux for like 15 years and Arch for about a decade. I've never had an issue where the system time prevents the network connection from working. That's odd.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It makes sense because all of our cryptography is based around time limits. If the system time is way off it can't verify the cryptographic signatures and it's not going to validate any certs since the time doesn't line up properly.

[–] pete_the_cat 1 points 1 year ago
[–] AProfessional 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Every distro has ntp setup by default. New users shouldn’t use Arch…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah and old users shouldn't be fucking snobs, yet here we are.