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[–] LostMyRedditLogin 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Too late Murdoch owned Wall Street Journal already sold the lie there was Iranian involvement. You would think people would learn after the Iraq War.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ghazi Hamad, a Hamas spokesman, meanwhile told the BBC that the group had direct backing for the attack from Iran.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67044182

Lie or not, it's coming straight from the horse's mouth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Backing, material support and commited personell are quite different levels of involvement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even in this article it is said that Iran did provide support to Hamas (money, weapons). What is not evident, that there was coordination and support for this particular operation. For me, it looks like splitting hairs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is a very important distinction. If your child beats another child it makes a huge difference if you told him he should fight back and signed him up for a boxing class, or if you planned with it when and where to attack the other child.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is false analogy. When you arm terrorist organization, you know how it will use the armament. When you teach your son to box, you don’t, more over it is a good practice to also teach him that it can be used only in self defense, and not to kill people for whatever ideology. I seriously doubt that Iran was doing that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you teach your son to box to stop getting bullied you full well know that he will use it for violence. And yes Iran has some responsibility for arming Hamas. But this responsibility is a magnitude below the responsibility of directly being involved in planning or execution of the attacks. In the same wake alle the supporters of Israel that send them weapons or military aid share responsibility, but aren't directly responsible for Israeli warcrimes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We agree that there is difference. But we disagree on degree of the difference. I do not see a way to settle this. This is subjective feeling.