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They don’t take them hostage, usually they just kill them right there.
You know as well as I do that the IDF has never done anything like what happened on Saturday. Kidnapping children? Shooting random people waiting at a bus stop? Slaughtering 200 people at a festival? Taking a hundred hostages and then threatening to murder them while live streaming it?
Israel has done a lot of shit, and deserves criticism for all of it, but it has not done anything comparable to this.
They have regularly and repeatedly carried out air strikes targeting civilian infrastructure with no evidence of military targets.
There are multiple reports from multiple years of IDF soldiers killing children, including the recent video of soldiers killing a young boy in front of a cheering crowd.
What about all the videos of the things IDF has done to people in the West Bank? Countless reports of women being raped before being thrown from their homes, and their family members being shot for resisting having their land stolen from them.
Yes, what happened the other day was terrible. But it’s not unilateral, Israel has committed war crimes against Palestinians for decades. Just because they have been spread out instead of all happening on one day does not make them better.
Do you have any sources of, for example, countless women being raped by the IDF/Israelis?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre
Ok not to say this isn't awful but you if you have to go back 75 years to find 4 rapes, don't you think the wording 'countless' and the implication this is a regular practice in the West Bank is a bit of a lie?
didn't see it was already 75 years ago. i think you're right.
i went looking online to see if i could find any reports on rape allegations. most sources are news websites that i'm not familiar with so i don't want to use them as source.
most reputable news sources have articles about rape allegations among soldiers, not from palestinians. Which i think is a problem in every army, regardless of the nation.
so i think i'm in agreement with you here that there's not much evidence that the IDF is raping palestinians.
having said that, it feels like a technicality in the face of all the palestinians the IDF has murdered and evicted. Where i'm talking exclusively about civilians, not hamas terrorists.
I don't think it is just a technicality really. Accusations of systemic rape as a weapon of war are very serious. If they are used as a counter argument to say "it's not important that Palestinians immediately go on a raping spree the very moment they step foot out of Gaza, because the Israelis have been doing it for years" that is a clear lie. Such lies need to be called out, not excused as unimportant technicalities. How are you deciding that those Israeli kids deserved it if you don't really care about facts
oh i never meant to say that any of the israeli victims deserved it.
neither the israeli nor the palestinian people deserve what has been happening.
i do think its unfair to be shocked at palestinian aggression while ignoring israeli war crimes.
none of it is ever deserved or justified. the hamas attack from last week should be fought back with tooth and nail. hamas needs to be brought down.
and netanyahu and any israeli politicians involved in the colonization for the past two decades should be tried for war crimes.
Ok then we are on the same page I guess
But I feel kind of dirty having to defend the Israelis against a lot of propaganda. Letting this kind of casual lies to excuse horrid violence pass will not serve anything but normalize more violence.
Ok then we are on the same page I guess
But I feel kind of dirty having to defend the Israelis against a lot of propaganda. Letting this kind of casual lies to excuse horrid violence pass will not serve anything but normalize more violence.
Also, where we might disagree: you say Hamas should be brought down. But they are deeply entrenched between the civilians in Gaza. So how do you suggest it's done?