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[–] Jaderick 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Third link:

Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law. Laws, policies and practices which are intended to maintain a cruel system of control over Palestinians, have left them fragmented geographically and politically, frequently impoverished, and in a constant state of fear and insecurity.

Can you read? It’s the 4th and 5th paragraph.

[–] flossdaily -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah. Can you?

Amnesty international has created a logical fallacy in claiming that Israel is apartheid. For that claim to be true they are assuming that all Palestinians in the occupied territories are somehow disenfranchised subjects of the Israeli government.

If that logic were true, then we would have had to have said the same thing about Iraqis when the United States occupied Iraq. But of course that's a ludicrous claim. The United States didn't suddenly become an apartheid nation just because we conquered enemy territory.

Just because a territory is under military occupation does not mean that the people in those territories are citizens in waiting.

On the other hand, the Muslim Arab and ethnic Palestinians who ARE citizens of Israel have all the same rights and privileges as Jewish citizens of Israel.

[–] Jaderick 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First thing: the current leader of Israel has explicitly stated Israel is a state for Jews

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/11/702264118/netanyahu-says-israel-is-nation-state-of-the-jewish-people-and-them-alone

How is the current PM of Israel explicitly stating the government is just for Jews not disenfranchisement?

Second thing: there’s a difference between formal citizenship and full citizenship

https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/israel-as-an-ethnic-democracy-palestinian-citizens-and-the-fight-for-equal-rights

The fact that there is a difference precludes equality.

[–] flossdaily 0 points 1 year ago

Think of it like this: when Trump was President he could have come out and said that the United States was a nation for Christians alone.

He could say it. He could get applause for it. But that wouldn't make it true.

In law school I took an Israel-US comparative law class. Israel doesn't have a constitution, but they do have Basic Laws which serve the same purpose. Among those laws are guarantees of equal protection regardless of religion.

So, think Israel's PM as an Israeli Trump. He's a dangerous, opening corrupt zealot, but he had a lot of internal opposition, and his words are not law.