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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No. It will invariably be called terrorism.

ANC carried out terror bombings intentionally targeting civilians too after first trying non-violent protests, then trying sabotage, then targeting military, and not getting results. And they were called terrorists as well despite certainly doing far less harm than the regime they fought, and ignoring that while civilian, the majority of their victims were voters who had an active role in continuing to vote in the regimes engaged in the oppression.

The only way to stop being labeled terrorist is to win the conflict, like the ANC.

This is not a criticism of the ANC, btw.. On a personal level I think some of their actions were deplorable, but I also think that it is fundamentally not up to any of us to judge the armed resistance of the oppressed unless we are actively fighting that oppression in better, more effective ways.

In other words: Personally, I think that anyone who is not personally at a minimum engaged in efforts to end Israeli oppression that is likely to right now be achieving more than armed Palestinian resistance has no moral standing to judge their actions.

And nobody here is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The ANC won by mobilizing world opinion against the South African regime. The armed struggle was inconsequential and contributed nothing to ending apartheid.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Mandela disagreed with you, and maintained to the end that it was essential in mobilizing support. They got little attention until they ramped up.

The engaged in non-violent resistance against increasingly oppressive laws for decades with no support or attention, and achieving nothing. In fact Apartheid was put in place during, not before, that non-violent resistance, that was how little it achieved. The sanctions first started after ANC and others raised the stakes and violence started rattling the regime into escalation that caught attention.

However, whether or not it was effective is irrelevant to the argument I made, which is that unless you provide a better solution, you're not in a position to judge how they fight back.