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Yes
Yes. Most people believe anything if you tell them often enough.
Yes. I hear people shit on unions every now and again, saying the same bs you hear on anti union propaganda.
Other side of what?
Depends on the union. Sometimes they are just there as a mouthpiece for management. Sometimes they fight for worker's rights.
What union doesn't elect their union leadership?
Well some stewards are prone to bribing, special treatment by MGMT to turn a blind eye to certain things or back off. Others are competent, but maybe too busy for you. Others are elected because they're popular or whatever, but as a steward they're not knowledgeable or brave or effective. There's lots of ways a union steward can go awry.
And lots of ways that a union steward can go right?
It tends to be an overall, net positive.
During and still after the Cold war the US used state intelligence and right wing fanatics to break US labor power. The US is a country with low political intelligence and solidarity because of it.
It depends on the industry and honestly I'd be surprised if some unions in your country are not similar or worse. I'm in Chicago, which is one of the country's biggest union strongholds, and construction unions here are often shitty and corrupt. Unions will bully and fight dirty against competing companies, sometimes even getting in spats between local chapters
Might be a difference in the role the union has fallen into. The unions I'm talking about have been given way too much power through cronyism over the years, and at this point act more like a trade association/cartel acting for the businesses against other businesses, not for the workers against management
Yeah my American brain has trouble comprehending a system where cronyism isn't possible. Here most unions have an associated PAC and are very active with political donations and lobbying
these probably don't change any minds, but unions in general have been so stigmatized they they're probably reinforcing the views of a fair number of people.