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@Joe_[email protected] wrote:

Today I found out that google docs infects html exports with spyware, no scripts, but links in your document are replaced with invisible google tracking redirects. I was using their software because a friend wanted me to work with him on a google doc, he is a pretty big fan of their software, but we were both somehow absolutely shocked that they would go that far.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

If anyone isn't familiar with this here's the Wired article

Here’s how it works. Say you search for “children’s clothing.” Google converts it, without your knowledge, to a search for “NIKOLAI-brand kidswear,” making a behind-the-scenes substitution of your actual query with a different query that just happens to generate more money for the company, and will generate results you weren’t searching for at all. It’s not possible for you to opt out of the substitution. If you don’t get the results you want, and you try to refine your query, you are wasting your time. This is a twisted shopping mall you can’t escape.

Why would Google want to do this? First, the generated results to the latter query are more likely to be shopping-oriented, triggering your subsequent behavior much like the candy display at a grocery store’s checkout. Second, that latter query will automatically generate the keyword ads placed on the search engine results page by stores like TJ Maxx, which pay Google every time you click on them. In short, it's a guaranteed way to line Google’s pockets.

It’s also a guaranteed way to harm everyone except Google. This system reduces search engine quality for users and drives up advertiser expenses. Google can get away with it because these manipulations are imperceptible to the user and advertiser, and the company has effectively captured more than 90 percent market share.

It’s unclear how often, or for how long, Google has been doing this, but the machination is clever and ambitious. I have spent decades looking for examples of Google putting its enormous thumb on the scale to censor or amplify certain results, and it hadn’t even occurred to me that Google just flat out deletes queries and replaces them with ones that monetize better.

[–] NocturnalMorning 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I figured this out when I searched for my gaming web page on itch.io, and it wouldn't come up. But then I went to duckduckgo and did the search, and every game I've made was in the search result. Pretty scummy if you ask me. Needless to say I changed all my browsers to duckduckgo instead of google.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

By browsers do you mean search engines in the browsers? I use DDG for search. Firefox is king, browsers wise.

[–] NocturnalMorning 10 points 1 year ago

Yes, I meant search engine. I also use Firefox as well :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I thought DDG was some kind of front end for Google search. How wrong am I, and if I'm right, does this mean it's the Google search in, e.g., Chrome browser that's doing this? Otherwise how would DDG be avoiding it?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought it was Bing? I’m not sure lol. I’ve noticed the drop in Google searches quality lately and switched to DDG.

Seems much better now imo.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You are correct. Bing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I could be completely wrong, may the gods of the Internet forgive me.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everytime I try to google anything that might be remotely related to a product every result will be a store.

I'd never have assumed that they just replaced my query but in hindsight it's kinda obvious

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah I noticed they got very shopping oriented in the last year or so, but I didn't anticipate this. Yikes.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Google can get away with it because these manipulations are imperceptible to the user

Dude, it's blatantly obvious to the user. Idk why they think they're being clever, but when I search for "Pioneer SC71 user manual" (a home theater amp), and all it shows me are cheap car stereos listings from Walmart and Amazon (with affiliate tracking of course), I know they're not showing me what I'm looking for. It's a worthless service for anything except products and heavily filtered news (they only show what aligns with their agenda). I went from totally loving Google, to not when using them anymore. They're a disease.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's clever as fuck. And ridiculous. And crazy evil.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that why no one figured out out until now?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

We've suspected they were ignoring our terms for years now, and had hard proof they were ignoring our search operators. There are hundreds of Reddit threads discussing it. But people noticing or not isn't what would make it clever. Some bullshit executive suggesting they serve whatever is most profitable doesn't seem clever to me, it seems greedy, hostile, and short sighted. What would be really clever is figuring out how to still give people what they're looking for, and still increase their income.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Wow, that's peak enshittification.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Article removed because it doesn't meet their editorial standards.

[–] wild 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How did they uncover and confirm this?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The information provided in the public hearings.