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One way to save species is by not eating animals. Welcome downvoters. I know you dislike hearing the truth, because you like your taste pleasure above animal suffering.
https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food#key-insights-on-the-environmental-impacts-of-food
You are speaking truth, going vegan has one of the highest possible personal impacts. Eating animals is one of the main reasons for the massive land use, since we need it manly to feed animals, therefore it is reducing biodiversity.
Personaly, I don't think the second part of your comment is sensible. Beeing aggressiv and making accusations (even if warented) will not change peoples minds but make them defend themself. But again, that's just my view.
(edit to reword a sentence)
Agreed. Agressive comments don't really change viewpoints.
Personal responsibilities and actions are important ofc but pale in comparison to systematic, structural change that is needed. E.g. a few people significantly reducing their diet of animal products or going vegan is great (hence I did it), but as long as slaughtering and abusing animals is subsidized by billions from the state level this won't have a large affect :/
BP's carbon footprint propaganda did a lit of damage.
Agreed, but if you use that point not to make a change yourself you are still part of the problem, not the solution. Systemic change happens because enough individuals have made the change themselves. These are two sides of the same coin. We can not expect a change to happen that we ourselves don't support.
You're right, I agree and should have pointed that out myself. I'm constantly seeing both parts being used as an excuse not to change by either side respectively and it angers me. If one side starts, then at least the other can't use them as an excuse anymore.
Thanks again for your comment :p
I downvoted you because of the immediate talking down to other humans. You are 100% right, but your style of presentation makes me puke.
"You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole"
Thanks for letting me know. I hope you puke just as much as you see people get downvoted for trying to get others to take animal suffering seriously.
No, i know i am doing good and that is enough for me. i don't have an interest in being hostile to human beings for not immediately changing something they've done for more than 20 years just because i did it and now everyone else has to too.
Do you also talk to people who smoke, drink or smoke weed as if they are subhuman?
Must be a happy life you live... How long have you been vegan?
20 Years? more?
You want honest answers and an open discussion or are you only interested in hating on me?
An open discussion about what? About you speaking down to people that don't follow our food restrictions?
Never mind. Bye bye
Lol let's present a fact to people and then make fun of them for not agreeing. That'll make them see my point.
If your goal really is to spread a message of veganism, maybe layoff being a cunt too. That's not to say you have to be nice and shit, but idk, maybe don't be an ass?
Or do, I don't care either way, this is random unsolicited Internet advice lmao. Your point rings hollow though if you have to attack people to spread your message
As if people are not an absolute ass to the person who says anything about veganism. As if this comment of mine came out of nowhere.
If it smells like shit everywhere you go, check your shoe. Stop perpetuating anger and abrasiveness. Nobody will listen to you if you just tell them they're stupid. Figure out how to communicate if you actually want to spread a message.
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As an aside, you're entitled to exactly no one's time. Feel free to try to spread your message. Accept that people may not want to hear it. It doesn't give you a right to be a dick.
Sustainable agriculture (small-scale, actually sustainable, not the corporate buzzword) has a huge positive impact on wildlife. Done right it can restore habitats and increase biodiversity in a matter of years. It's the factory farms that make meat production an environmental catastrophe.
Funny how the people who call billionaires 'evil' for hoarding wealth and treat landlords as Literally Satan for owning more than one house can sometimes also ignore the fact that they literally kill and eat animals for no reason other than cows being tasty.
This coming from someone who isn't even vegan btw, I just think the reactions to your post were hilarious.
The reactions to my post are indeed hilarious, although I also find it a bit exasperating. Especially if you take into account that normally I get downvoted to hell for mentioning animal suffering, so I thought I would pre-empt those downvoters and speak to them, but now they've found a new reason to downvote and hate the messenger instead of engage the message 🤷♂️
Indeed people are super resistant to any vegan message. Yet at the same time, the facts are simply the brutal facts. It's simply super bad for the planet and a nightmare of unimaginable scale for the animals. It'd be very nice if people would just stop, which is definitely possible in 2023, but it is indeed easier to point at the evil billionaires then change your own behavior.
I think it is clear that most humans value the experiences and welfare for other humans more than those for individuals of others species.
You may not be among those who share the same values, but most do, and I expect it to remain so.
More broadly, non-human animals have different, if any, social behavior, compared to humans, and therefore are never participants in human society.
As humans, we understand that we inevitably live in systems among other humans, dependent on human capacities and human tendencies, and we seek to direct such systems in support of objectives we identify as valuable.
Yes, thanks for your understanding.
Stick to the climate argument, because that argument at least makes sense.
buying beans doesn't help animals at all
It does if instead you would have paid for animals to be murdered.
no one is ever presented with that choice. that's an imaginary scenario.
but what if i give the beans to the animals
the buying alone doesn't help. giving beans to animals obviously helps animals.