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We need to cut back the bot traffic a touch. All new people coming and see are a million posts with no participation. It's good to have the content but we're kind of lacking in curation and a lot of what's coming over is not stuff we're interested in commenting on. As long as we just keep carbon copying Reddit and Twitter and the Verge and hundreds of other places, we're going to have a lot of empty post sitting around.
Actual discourse and discussion needs to happen. We're fairly low on trolls currently, which is a fantastic thing. But we also don't have a lot of spicy takes either.
More moderation, administration tools, better filters, easier ways to shut out bad actors. Right now the best we can do is defederate when somebody can't manage their clientele. And we're still way too bot-able.
More migration tools something I can to what mastodon does if you need to move instances.
#1: Absolutely.
#2: I've seen some spicy takes, at least in the politics communities. Others, people are generally just more chill. I consider that a feature.
#3: The upcoming 0.19.0 will let users block instances as well as users/communities. Filters are unfortunately a client-specific feature right now, but fortunately there are a lot of clients to choose from now.
#4: 0.19.0 has this. Users can export their profile settings data (including subscriptions and blocklists) and import those elsewhere.
Oh hell yeah! Finally!
I just block the bots, I want to see what real people care enough to post.
You can also turn off the Lemmy option to see bot posts, and then just manage bot-like humans.
That's what I meant, but appreciate the clarification.
That's what I'm doing too. But trying to bring people in and saying oh just block all the bots as the default is not optimal.
Welcome to the new web. Nothing is optimal, it's a good intro for people. The setting is there and that's what matters.
Where do you see bot traffic? From my observations, Lemmy has the opposite problem than what you describe in your point 1: all threads I see do get plenty of comments (not as many as reddit, but still plenty), but we get relatively few new threads. Or does that only happen in specific communities? I don't look at communities I'm not subscribed to, maybe that is why.
Go hit up lemmyworld, hit all hit new.
Every sport, every team, every game as a post. Every verge article ends up on every copy of technology on every service.
wow ok I hadn't realised. I only ever see the lemmit.online bot posts which kinda make me rage.
If there's multiple bots posting this spam then it's not really a single-bot problem.
‘New’ is a bot orgy, which is a real shame because quality posts get lost in it and it’s harder for them to gain visibility and traction in the wider instance. If you stick to subscribed communities you won’t notice, but for new users who haven’t curated their communities yet (or people like me who just like discovering stuff I wouldn’t think to seek out specifically), browsing the general aggregate can be a great way to discover content and communities to follow.
Or it would be, if it wasn’t bot bot bot bot bot bot thread, bot bot bot bot bot bot thread, bot bot thread, bot bot thread, bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot bot, wait a minute, thread!
I’d much rather see more discussion under the various posts then just an endless stream of what looks like just random links, mostly political, either supporting some democrat or trying to explain why some Republican is evil.
But also, when everyone agrees there isn’t really much to talk about, and if you disagree you wake up to an inbox full of the stupidest comments imaginable and a post with more downvotes that the original post even got upvotes for lol
If conversation is the goal, lemmy users who dominate the community right now don’t know how to have it