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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm irrationally agitated about Scale and Rotation involving a translation and that this is not called out in the meme.

Like it looks like "translation" is just "nothing happens" and this is going to bother me all day please help.

[–] betamark 8 points 1 year ago

Translation just means all the coordinates of the points of the rectangle are moved the same increments. So the rectangle is the same length, width , and area, but the location of all of its vertices are different after translation. There's should be an x y plot to show this.

[–] AlmightySnoo 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’m irrationally agitated about Scale and Rotation involving a translation and that this is not called out in the meme.

Akshually

It's not entirely inaccurate in the case of rotation, since the composition of a rotation (with angle not a multiple of 2pi) and a translation is also a rotation with a new center.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

R e a l l y?

I believe you, but what do I need to read to understand why that is?

[–] AlmightySnoo 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are many ways to prove it but my preferred one is by using complex numbers. In what follows we identify 2D points and vectors with their complex representation so that we won't have to deal with too many notations.

Let there be three points z, z' and z'', and assume that:

  • z' is obtained from z by applying a rotation of angle θ and center u;
  • z'' is obtained from z' by applying a translation by v.

That means that we have:

  • z' - u = (z - u) * exp(i * θ)
  • z'' = z' + v

In particular, we have:

z'' = u + v + (z - u) * exp(i * θ)

It kinda looks like a rotation is there, since we have a exp(i * θ), so we'd ideally like to have the right-hand side in the above equality be in the form w + (z - w) * exp(i * θ).

Let's see if we can achieve that, we'll look for w such that:

w + (z - w) * exp(i * θ) = u + v + (z - u) * exp(i * θ)

Which after some simplifications becomes:

w * (1 - exp(i * θ)) = u * (1 - exp(i * θ)) + v

And assuming that θ is not a multiple of 2 * pi, we can divide both sides by 1 - exp(i * θ) and we get:

w = u + v / (1 - exp(i * θ)) (from here you can easily further simplify to get the explicit 2D coordinates of w)

So what we've shown is that there indeed exists a unique center w such that z'' is obtained from z by applying a rotation of angle θ around w, ie:

z'' - w = (z - w) * exp(i * θ)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

And scale only scales one dimension… the width is unchanged.

[–] Abucketofpuppies 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The rotation one still works. It's just being rotated around a very specific point to get there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I know what you mean, but is there any point you can rotate around to get that transformation without a translation? Where would that point need to be?

[–] Abucketofpuppies 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Here's the video where I actually learned about this phenomenon!

https://youtu.be/1EpQtVJb0OU?si=arWTbgH0UiB_9cgP

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh wow that video is actually really good. I was hoping there would be 100 more like it on that channel, but it looks like kind of a one off.

[–] Abucketofpuppies 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I went ahead and subscribed anyways. It's the first time he's done a video like that, but it was by far his most successful video. Hopefully there are more to come