Things have gotten better and progress has been made from times past, it just seems worse now because we have more access to information. We've come far, and have further to go!
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You cannot seriously try to ask whataboutisms and then be a crybaby when the answer contradicts your argument.
How are you this knowledgable about chinese happenings but at the same time such a CCP shill?
Who taught you all you know?
xinhua? Globaltimes china?
Beep Boop Boop Xi Winnie Pooh Beep Boop Boop Bootlicker
I don't know - how do I know? I've read a lot of books. It's that easy. And if you wanna complain that I am chinese - in fact I am not. I am not a native english speaker, you're right. Die Lösung des Rätsels ist einfacher, als man annehmen mag.
Come on dude, get a global view. It's terrible how narrow your sight is.
Ironic coming from the guy that says the exact same things the CCP churns out and uses the same excuses and whataboutisms to deflect from real arguments against chinese claims that sinos do.
Every argument i brought against your claims was met by mocking. Ironically when i tell you that your data is on another widely different topic and i show you data from the same source that shows that china is doing horrible in that regard all you can andwer with is temper tantrums.
How is anyone supposed to take you serious when you throw a tantrum everytime someone proves that your claims are less favorable than you portray them as and in other cases just repeat obvious state propaganda.
Please give me some book recommendations because as i see it China is a totalitarian hellhole.
Feel free to give me sources that prove that it isn't.
It was met by mocking, because you can't deal with facts. Even the things you showed were on my side of view.
How can I take you serious, if you think that china is the hell on earth? Your sight is narrow. I can't give you one book, those are many and I've read them in german. So I can't recommend them to you. Besides this some are just papers about politics... You can even grab some from BPB. Maybe this is one, which could be interesting: https://www.booklooker.de/B%C3%BCcher/Angebote/autor=Mecklenburg+Jens%3B+Wippermann+Wolfgang&titel=Roter+Holocaust
Oh yes. Communist holocaust relativism. Awesome book!
I read these. I dont know how but they paint a much worse picture and one of them is actually written by a chinese person.
Cry more about narrow views and only believing one source when all you have read is tankie books and CCP Propaganda.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008MWNEXI/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B008MWNEXI&linkCode=as2&tag=litekick-20
https://www.medimops.de/jung-chang-mao-the-unknown-story-taschenbuch-M00679746323.html?variant=UsedGood&creative=&sitelink=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpc-oBhCGARIsAH6ote_ovAFfW8hvmpn6WyMyAr_v3MNGKDEORm7_iDY2g1IYD-Wyu7OWuU8aApY9EALw_wcB
lol 10 seconds search about Yang Jisheng and I found massive critics about him. Nice. Well done. Is it that difficult to get good sources? The book that I recommended you is not a about relativating the "red holocaust", it's about getting the facts straight. In germany a lot of people would hate you, if you would say communist holocaust, because indeed this shows that you don't understand what the word holocaust means and you're doing holocaust relativism. I don't know if you know Jürgen Habermas, but I think you should learn a lot from him.
btw. did you know that Nazis, who attacked the sovietunion and were killed in combat are official victims of communism? Funny, right?
No, my relatives and colleagues also see the deaths of the chinese communist party as a holocaust. The great leap forward is widely described as one.
And the one book you mentioned is directly talking down the millions of lives sacrificed. It has also been widely disproven. Its just communist propaganda.
I also didnt just link one book. I linked multiple. Have you read them?
Come back when you have.
Ok, if your relatives and collegues see it like that it has to be true. They're jewish right? Why don't you say it was a famine or a genocide? Why a holocaust? Cause you don't know what holocaust means. Read Habermas!
How do you know that the book is directly talking down the millions of lives? Have you read it?
What have you linked? Books from Yang Jisheng? Well done... Next you wanna give me links to the victims of communism foundation, who also believe that covid is a virus made in chinese laboratories and that every, who died from it is also a victim of communism.
Are you jewish? Are you chinese? Are you a former USSR Citizen?
If not then i would greatly recommend not pulling that card. If my grandpa would hear you downplaying communist war atrocities he would probably shoot you. I linked 2 Books. Have you read them? Or did you just decide that my books dont count and only you and your tankie friends know what really happened?
Do u understand the religious meaning of the word holocaust? I think you don't do. Holocaust is a word specificly for the genocide on jewish people. If you wanna describe genocides done to other people I recommend to you not to use the word holocaust, because if you do, you always compare it with the crimes of the Nazis. And if you do this, you are doing holocaust-relativism. And I hope you understand why this is insensitive, cause the crimes the Nazis did is best know as industrial genocide - they gased, shot and starved people in a scale nobody can imagine. Even the crimes of the communists weren't that bad. I deeply recommend Habermas to you to understand the problem. It's not only a problem of scale, it's a philosophical problem. And because you are doing holocaust-relativism and don't want to understand what the Nazis did, I don't wanna talk to you anymore. I'm feeling sick, because of you.
It's fine dude. You're moving goalposts.
On one hand youre supporting authoritan communism on the other hand youre so sick of people calling the genocides in china holocausts.
Do you want to defend chinas genocides that caused over 60 million deaths and counting or do you wanna remind people of how bad that time was when nazis killed 6+ Million People?
Good when china, bad when Germany?
Its always the same with you tankies. You get disproven and you change to the next miniscule thing. How about you disprove that 60 Million People died in China and that china has never apologized for that, the tianenmen square massacre or the cultural revolution. How about you disprove the genocide on the people of the uyghurs.
Then we can talk again about what the CCP wants to spread as propaganda.
Oh you're comparing scales? Are we on this level? I don't know, if you have so much self-awareness, but you're doing a huge job on relativing Nazis. Why do liberals always tend to do this bullshit? Aren't you able to talk about genocides without doing it? Is there a need for it? No, it isn't. You idiots don't understand what you're doing. I can talk about the things china did, no problem - but I am getting angry, if you only want to do it, cause you love Nazis.
Mhm. Sure kiddo. Im a liberal and a nazi... that makes so much sense. I recommend therapy
liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism.
I recommend theory.
Theory on what? You're proving more and more that you are delulu.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
If you aren't a Nazi or a Liberal, why are you repeating the nonsense from them?
Because i know chinese. And you are a tankie. And because its really fun to debate with you because all your arguments are so weak and everytime i scrape away at the foundation you pivot. Like a little worm. Its just fun.
said the person, who doesn't know what the holocaust is...
Moving goalposts still. Keep going. This is fun.
if it's your goal to do holocaust-relativism...