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Cruise CEO says SF ‘should be rolling out the red carpet’ for robotaxis, threatens to maybe leave town::In his first major public interview since the DMV cut their San Francisco fleet in half, Cruise CEO Kyle Vogt said “we cannot expect perfection” from the self-driving cars, and vaguely threatened to leave town if regulators curtail them any further.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't know about "perfection", but we should at least aim to be better than most human drivers.

I'd be comfortable holding robot drivers to the same standard as human drivers if there were similar levels of accountability. That said, I think the current standards for licensing human drivers are far too low. Tons of people on the road are simply not capable of driving safely, consistently, and legally. I would support measures to raise the bar for human drivers as well, but since that is extremely unlikely, we can at least establish better standards for the future.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just hold the CEO directly liable for any deaths or injuries. Like someone gets hit? That’s a reckless driving charge for the CEO. They would get perfect real quick.

[–] PHLAK 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unfortunately that's not how software development works.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I’m aware, the idea was more tongue in cheek then anything

[–] LufyCZ 2 points 1 year ago

Fortunately that's not how software development works

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

As a pedestrian, I'd sooner trust a self-driving car to ID and stop for me than I'd trust a human to do the same. Humans make way more mistakes than these cars do. It just doesn't make the news when humans fuck up cause we do it all the damn time. But accidents are so rare for self-driving cars that every time one happens, it makes headlines, and then a bunch of idiots show up in the comments to throw shade at them when they're much worse drivers themselves.

And then more idiots show up and upvote them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah a lot of people drive selfishly and dangerously. Until we get alternative transportation, however, more stringent licensing will just condemn poorer folks to worse poverty and possibly being cast to the streets.

We need better public transportation before we can cripple people’s ability to get where they need to be. Including work.

[–] guacupado 3 points 1 year ago

I've always thought that self-driving cars won't be mainstream until local departments of transportation are actively aiding in surrounding recognition for these vehicles. Cities will need to make sure their paint is maintained much more often so that yellow and white lines are much more easily recognized by AI. Also need more of those LED street lights with the hoods so that the colors of the light better stand out. I'm sure there are also better way to make signs more readable to AI as well, but all of these needs to be done with the help from local governments. Autonomous vehicles get better the more other autonomous vehicles are on the road.

[–] themajesticdodo -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can a robot be as accountable as a human? You going to threaten to send it to jail?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'd want it to be regulated like other safety features. If they shipped a car with faulty brakes or any other safety defects, it would be a legal issue. Fines, recalls, etc. Ideally it should be enough that half-assing it would put them out of business.