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Public transport is also increasing in price quite significantly. So expensive, in fact, that it would be cheaper for my girlfriend to go to uni by car (about an hour’s drive) once her free student travel runs out, than it would be to take a discount (!!!) subscription for the route from home to uni by train. Public transport here is good, but it’s suffering from enshittification due to underfunding and sky high prices. It’s a shame. And unfortunately, a 45km one-way bike trip isn’t feasible most days. Not time-wise anyway.
Maybe an electric motorcycle could be an option? They can be charged straight of the wall and can be had starting from around 5000€
That's definitely an interesting option, but it's a step down in convenience compared to cars/trains, with the protective gear and stuff. :/
I think it's more Problematic to live almost 50km away from your workspace. I don't expect any form of transportation to cheaply transport me 100km every day tbh.
But also to be fair. The train should always be cheaper than a car. Also at above 2€ per L with a reasonable consumption of 6-8L you are around 16€+ just for fuel. Aren't trains with discount Tarifs around 8-12€ per trip?
Not even talking about personal freedom, but as soon as you're not living alone anymore, you may just not have that choice.
Fair enough. But yeah, it's crazy that taking the train is more expensive than going alone by car. It'd make sense if it was compared to carpooling, but nope...
While I don't know the transport pricing structure in NL, that kind of calculation is generally only ever true if you own a car anyway and ignore that cost.
The cost of owning + maintenance + extra fuel was taken into account I'm afraid
In Germany, owning a cheap car runs you around 3000€/a, with a relatively low mileage. I imagine that's similar in NL. You're saying you'd definitely run above that with whatever commuter ticket is available to you?
Our car is a little above “a cheap car”, perhaps. But taking into account 4 days on site, you get about 20k km per year (assuming 52 weeks). With maintenance and other costs, including putting money aside for when this car is to be replaced, we reserve about €300 a month. That is including fuel for those 20k km per year. Getting a “traject vrij” (free travel on a certain route) subscription from the railways is, I kid you not, €400 a month. Even more expensive than when I looked last time. 🥲 Edit: forgot to mention you’ll need the bus as well, which is around €2 per ride. Around €70 euros per month extra. Cheaper than getting a discount subscription (€18 per month + €55 in fares) or a total subscription for the bus (€97 per month)
Ok. That sucks. :/
Never ever is it that cheap!
20k km means €2200 for benzin alone. (5,5 liters/100 km and 2€/liter)
Insurance is €900
Road tax €500
Maintenance and tyres €1200
Savement for replacement €1500
This is €6300 yearly or €500 per month.
Seems like my memories about my calculations were a little off. It’s €350 per month for 15k km. Upping it to 20k km would make it around €400, which, insanely enough, is still cheaper than public transport. 😐