this post was submitted on 19 Sep 2023
1087 points (91.8% liked)

Showerthoughts

29827 readers
943 users here now

A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. A showerthought should offer a unique perspective on an ordinary part of life.

Rules

  1. All posts must be showerthoughts
  2. The entire showerthought must be in the title
  3. Avoid politics
    • 3.1) NEW RULE as of 5 Nov 2024, trying it out
    • 3.2) Political posts often end up being circle jerks (not offering unique perspective) or enflaming (too much work for mods).
    • 3.3) Try c/politicaldiscussion, volunteer as a mod here, or start your own community.
  4. Posts must be original/unique
  5. Adhere to Lemmy's Code of Conduct

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] randon31415 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Let us examine the couch movers analogy.

A) If two people, A and B, who can lift 25 lb move a 50 lb couch, and A does not try 100%, whose fault is is that couch does not get moved?

B) If A can lift 20 lb and B 30 lb, and A does not give 100%, whose fault is it then?

C) If A can lift 30 lb and B 20 lb, and A does not give 100%, whose fault is it then?

D) What if both can lift 20 lb?

E) What if A can lift 100 lb and B can lift 20 lb?

F) What if A can lift 20 lb and B can lift 100 lb?

G) What if A and B can both lift 100 lb?

I find it interesting that whose fault seemingly changes even if it is always assumed A is not giving 100% in all cases.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think where this analogy falls short is that in reality it gets assumed everyone can lift the same if they just would give 100 %. And therefore one person always gets the blame since they are seemingly not giving enough.

[–] A_Random_Idiot 11 points 1 year ago

Otherwise known as bootstraps.

The thing assholes always tell you they pulled themselves up by, conveniently ignoring their rich, connected family and friends that was the biggest factor in their success.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There's also a difference between fault, responsibility, and ability to do something. They're interrelated, but they're not equivalent. If A is able to move 100 pounds, but not obligated to do so and not trying then A is able, but not responsible and not at fault. If A can only lift 20 pounds, works as a mover and gives their best effort then A is unable to move the couch, responsible for moving the couch, but not at fault as they've done everything they can do to move the couch. I could go on but my point stands: it's a weak, reductive metaphor.

[–] plantedworld 3 points 1 year ago

Seems more like one person who could lift the couch one handed is sitting on it yelling at the person who can't lift it by themselves