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Techradar Just Shouted Out Beehaw! (cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/628792 )
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The instances that have been defederated deserved it.
"Moderate your users or get shut off" is not a new concept. Email server admins do it all the time when they blacklist other email servers for enabling spam and scams.
It's on those instances to start acting like good community members again, at which point other instances will open back up to them.
Part of the problem is that we just don't have good moderating tools yet. Getting shut off due to lack of moderation is probably a good incentive to help develop such tools and start using them.
If not, then that reinforces defederation as having been justified.
How asinine. It's guilt by association. Everyone who made an account on those instances is punished because some people were misbehaving. To say that those causing no problems other than existing on those instances "deserved" it is ridiculous. Even admins on that instance admit that:
So at some point it's just an arbitrary decision as to whether or not to punish an entire instance.
It's not a decision to punish those people, it's just a temporary extra hoop you have to jump through until moderation tools are improved and they can handle the traffic. It's not a matter of who deserves what, it's just practical.
If you want to talk on Beehaw, you can always make a second account. You haven't been banned personally.
When the vast majority of the total moderation actions performed by an instance is against the users on just two external instances, there's clearly a problem with those instances. It's completely reasonable to greatly reduce the amount of moderation you have to do by shutting off the source of the problem.
Guilt by association is a real thing and it's often justifiable if you are in that association by choice. Hang out with Nazis if you want, but don't complain when you get grouped in with them by everyone else.
@[email protected] the fact you have an account on lemmy.world you opened 10 days ago before Beehaw defederated it is quite ironic. They literally only defederated lemmy.world because of the massive influx of new users from Reddit and the open enrollment. There was no moderation to be performed as far as I've seen. As a matter of fact, your comment above is quite literally the most inflammatory comment I have seen yet while browsing the fediverse in the last week so maybe Beehaw should defederate with kbin.social? It's got the same influx of new users and open enrollment. kbin.social was almost certainly only spared because at the time they weren't federating with anyone due to the DDOS protection from Cloudflare. How utterly ridiculous.
I'm one of those new users on lemmy.world. I try to always post thoughtfully and respectfully. Remind me again why I'm being punished?
Yeah, I made an account, learned of potential issues, took a look at kbin and decided I like that better, and haven't been back. Never posted a thing from it, as far as I can remember. Stalk much?
As to it being inflammatory, I'm pretty much repeating the explanations giving by the admins for defederating. You did read the explanation post, right?
Mentioning you actually autofills both options, so no, not stalking..
Clearly you haven’t checked the modlogs because Beehaw admins literally banned 5 users of probably 20,000 at the time before deciding to defederate based on open enrollment, which kbin.social also has so don’t be surprised when your instance is also defederated.
Oh, that's very interesting that it autofills both... I'm surprised that it will tie the accounts together like that. It seems potentially error-prone as different people on different instances are bound to end up picking the same usernames.
But if they defederate from kbin, no, I'm not going to fret about it. It's bound to be temporary until issues are addressed, as is the current situation. Kbin itself was completely defederated for much of the time I have been using it.
Or it will just kill Beehaw because they're now cut off from most of the other larger lemmy instances. Unless their users are just super loyal for some reason. If I were a member there I would have already jumped ship.
They seem to really like it there. I don't blame them, from the quality of the discussions I've seen there.
In any case, it's a temporary situation. Probably. Depends on how the various admins proceed, I guess.
These are growing pains due to the large influx of new users (me among them). Some of them are painful, but they will pass. I'm sure things will open back up as the moderation tools improve.