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The actor told an audience in London that AI was a “burning issue” for actors.

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[–] EncryptKeeper 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact remains that in the case of identity theft, it is not the case that the thing being stolen must be a singular finite thing that is removed from your possession, which directly contradicts your original statement, which your entire argument depends on. You claim that it isn’t theft because his voice is “still where he left it”. Well in the crime of identity theft your identity remains right where you left it. This is the point you keep missing.

As for the Dowling v. United States ruling, it’s not the case that the judge held that copyright infringement isn’t theft, you’ve misinterpreted it entirely. What was held was that “Copies of copyrighted works cannot be regarded as "stolen property" for the purposes of a prosecution under the National Stolen Property Act of 1934.”

That is a very narrow ruling that clarified the definition of stolen property only as it applies to potential prosecution over law unrelated to copyright infringement. Like I said, there are different types of theft, and this ruling simply solidified the difference between crimes of the nature of theft, and larceny.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, do you have a ruling somewhere that states that copies of copyrighted works can be regarded as "stolen property" for some other purpose?

Why are there completely separate laws regarding theft of physical property and the violation of copyrights if they can be regarded as the same?

[–] EncryptKeeper 1 points 1 year ago

So, do you have a ruling somewhere that states that copies of copyrighted works can be regarded as "stolen property" for some other purpose?

No because those other related purposes are generally applicable to larceny specifically, as opposed to other crimes of theft.

Why are there completely separate laws regarding theft of physical property and the violation of copyrights if they can be regarded as the same?

The same reason there are completely separate killing laws, or drug laws, or property laws, or environmental laws. We’re not limited to one single law that covers an entire category of crime. State and federal governments pass new laws in existing categories every day. Thats why being a lawyer is hard, there are a lot of laws and the way they interact is complicated and inherently modular. Just like there are different kinds of those other crimes, there are different kinds of theft, so you need different laws for each kind. Larceny or larceny-theft, embezzlement, fraud, identity theft, copyright infringement. All theft, different definitions, requirements, circumstances, punishment, interactions with different laws (Receiving stolen properly, transporting stolen property across state lines etc.). You’re just latching on to larceny-theft, one very specific kind of theft, and mistakenly assuming that it is the only theft related law we have on the books.