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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Russians aren't inherently violent, but the idea that shock therapy, as absurd and damaging as it was, is responsible for Russia's current state flies in the face of the entire rest of the Warsaw Pact, which also suffered from 'Shock Therapy' insanity being imposed, yet have largely moved on to more functional systems than Russia.

[–] jittery3291 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course shock therapy didn't cause the war, it was just one big factor that lead to the modern Russian state. Putin and other top brass caused this war. My point was it's not reasonable to compare Russia to Germany.

Also, some nations that underwent shock therapy do OK now, but many are still to recover and have rampant corruption and wide spread poverty. Granted, that's not the same as bombing schools.

I'm hawkish on my support for Ukraine, but I do think that we need to remember the history behind this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My point wasn't to refute that shock therapy caused the war, but to refute that shock therapy caused the modern Russian state in general. Shock therapy was economically damaging, but the root causes of the Russian kleptocracy are much, much deeper and more severe.

[–] jittery3291 1 points 1 year ago