this post was submitted on 15 Sep 2023
661 points (93.4% liked)

politics

19102 readers
4076 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-announces-legislation-require-15-minimum-wage-billion-dollar-corporations#:~:text=Today%20U.S.%20Senator%20Josh%20Hawley,their%20employees%20%2415%20per%20hour.

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/senator-hawley-announces-blue-collar-bonus-pay-raise-american-workers

Guess you don’t actually read what republicans are trying to get done. You just want to say republicans bad.

I’m not a fan of Hawley for other reasons but he’s been pushing a lot of good ideas when it comes to the middle class.

[–] aesthelete 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah and how far did that get? I see it was "announced" in 2021. He pass it? He even really do anything besides a press conference?

I'll expect it to pass at exactly the same time as Trump's replacement for Obamacare. 😉

I pay attention to what Republicans are "trying to get done". That's the problem is that I pay attention to it. They always find a way to speak big on things for working people and then get in office and pass tax cuts for their millionaire donors.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He can’t pass it. He can only propose it and submit it for vote. It’s a process.

He also just submitted limiting interest rates on credit cards.

Ah yes the myth that the people who pay most in taxes don’t deserve any relief. The wealthy pay more than their fair share in taxes.

Under Trump my taxes went up. I’m not going to complain about it. It’s life.

[–] aesthelete 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He can do more than a single press conference about it, but that would be you know, doing the thing instead of trying to just get brownie points for mentioning it when it has absolutely zero chance of passage.

The wealthy pay more than their fair share in taxes.

They do not. You know how I know? Billionaires exist and continually get richer (even those that do nothing but sit around and collect checks) while others become increasingly destitute, starve, or die because they cannot afford medical treatment.

Under Trump my taxes went up.

Most people's taxes went up. But if you had set yourself up as a passthrough corporation you might've faired better. I guess you're too poor to afford one of the better tax evasive accountants. Oh well, be less poor next time.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The bill was proposed by Hawley and sanders.

Ah the whole billionaire myth again. It’s hard to take someone seriously when they don’t understand wealth vs income.

It’s exactly why I vote republican. I understand the difference between wealth and income.

[–] aesthelete 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It’s exactly why I vote republican. I understand the difference between wealth and income.

You vote Republican because you likely have as little understanding of politics as demonstrated by this thread in which you drummed up a publicity stunt bill proposal to defend a ivy league blue collar cosplay wanker who in office has done nothing but stand up for industry and rich people.

You're acting as you always do: as an unpaid advocate for people who if you were on fire wouldn't piss on you to put it out.

I understand the difference between wealth and income. I also understand that one yields the other with no sweat from the wealth holder.

That's a large part of why they're able to get away with paying so little tax, and they can even just use their wealth to borrow sums of money from banks at lower than thou interest rates and look like paupers, income wise, on paper.

Then thanks to you and others like you they eliminate things like the estate tax (oh no I'm sorry, the death tax is what you know it as) so they can pass that wealth onwards to create generation after generation of people who never have to do an honest days work in their life.

PS: you keep using the word myth, it doesn't mean what you think it means

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you cite where I said anything about inheritance ? I just have missed that.

Your strawman arguments are silly.

I understand politics well. Thank you for the needless ad hominem while you babble about billionaires and clearly don’t understand wealth.

You don’t realize for most of them, it’s ownership in a company they created. So it is their hard work paying off.

[–] aesthelete 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can you cite where I said anything about inheritance ? I just have missed that.

The end of the estate tax is brought to us by voters like you. I didn't say you mentioned it. You just voted for it. Something you likely do a lot of: voting for shit you don't understand.

I understand politics well.

Yep, that's why you pulled out a publicity stunt bill announcement to defend an insurrectionist supporter. Because your understanding of politics is oh so keen.

you babble about billionaires and clearly don’t understand wealth.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/buy-borrow-die-rich-avoid-140004536.html

Income taxes have also fallen over time for the top earners...and that's the people that are being honest about how much money they're making yearly.

In addition, as far as the wealth category, long-term capital gains have the lowest federal tax rates of any type of income.

You don’t realize for most of them, it’s ownership in a company they created. So it is their hard work paying off.

Lol

I'll just start with a counter example of the richest blabber bullshit boy as of late: Elon Musk. Dude's companies are basically two government subsidies stacked on top of each other in a trench coat. Yep. He totally earned his wealth. 👍