Of course, not Tomi Lahren though...
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Hey he has some good old episodes, I listen to them when I need white noise
There are plenty of other podcasts with great episodes that don't platform Nazis.
Yeah and? That doesn't erase the fact that he had really interesting guests, in fact I love that aliens/DMT phase, even if the rest is straight up garbage.
There is no more nuance on the world? Are we are now living in a black and white world?
the "alien/DMT phase" was literally the conspiracy and Alt-right pipeline
Yeah, Joe Rogan describes himself as a liberal. He has guests who he thinks will be interesting, not who he agrees with. I understand the idea of wanting to know what makes those people tick.
There is still a great point to be made that he's giving awful people a large platform to spew hateful or wrong messages to millions of people, and while Rogan often plays devil's advocate, he doesn't do much to delegitimize people who don't deserve to be taken seriously.
Ultimately, I think that Rogan does more harm than good because he allows hateful and stupid people to influence his audience.
When the nazis start marching, no, there's no room for nuance. You squash them, grind them to dust, and do the same for all their supporters.
Hahahahahaha so tough, Nazis are running at this instant at your virtual threat.
Where are these nazis.... Im living the same as i always have.... Not really seeing any burning crosses around 🤔
Not a big news follower, are ya?
You wanna show me the news with rampant increae of nazism impacting daily life? Or just cry that people are saying words...
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/neo-nazis-thriving-florida-ron-desantis-1234824505/
Hahahaha the FBI cosplaying Neo-Nazis doesnt mean Nazism is running rampant through the streets of America. Nice try tho
Ah fascists, so predictable. There are no real Nazis! Any evidence is fake! Probably planted by the Jews, too!
I mean, continue to live in fear then? Be afraid of the rise of Nazism and lose more of your freedoms trying to fight it.
I'm not afraid of people saying they believe a ludicrous ideology(Nazism). Ive never met a Nazi, laws aren't changed by Nazis, if i lived in Florida I'd move away.
Stop crying online its cringe af
Unless you lived in Germany in the 1930s.
"How could the Holocaust have happened??" While legitimate neo-nazis gain significant footholds in Western nations yet more than a few are willing to say 'Well they haven't told you who to hate, yet' (unironically). 'Well, we don't have any concentration camps,' ignoring that we detain and deprive significant rights from immigrants. 'Well, we're hardly a fasciest nation!', disregarding the fact that our prior and still popular president attempted at every point of legality to overthrow a democratic election.
That isn't even taking into consideration that an alarming number of people are willing to show up to protests and parades with NAZI FLAGS AND ARMBANDS. Anyone who pretends like there isn't alarming positive Nazi sentiment in America is dumb or complicit.
Well, that would be the KKK so it explains why you haven't noticed Nazis if that's what you're looking for.
You like using the word "nazi" too much there bud. I think you mean't to say "There are plenty of other podcasts with great episodes that don’t platform people I was programmed to hate and want cancelled."
Alex Jones is a white supremacist. He has had Jones on the podcasts, ergo platforming him. Therefore "Rogan platforms Nazis" is, pretty much, a true statement.
And no, I'm not programmed to dislike Jones, I've come to that opinion after listening to his unedited show for years. He uses the terminology, rhetoric, and arguments found in white supremacy talking points. Jones isn't going to out right say "I'm a Nazi" or etc. (unlike Kayne -- who he suspiciously didn't boot immediately alongside Nick Fuentes when they explicitly say that), because it's the third rail you can't touch and be a propagandist for the masses. Which is his aim.
Alex Jones is a nutjob, not a nazi. So claiming "Rogan platforms nazis" is completely false.
Chill out dude. If you listened to JRE hours upon end and think Joe Rogan is an nazi soapbox, there is something wrong with you man. For one, why do you tune into to JRE if hes sooooo evil and gives meanies a platform? And second I am calling BS that you listen to JRE for hours. If you do not like Joe Rogan, you will not consume his content, especially hours of it.
I didn't say I listened to Joe Rogan for hours — I said I listened to Alex Jones for a considerable amount of time. I only gave a counter example to show that Joe Rogan does, in fact, platform Nazis. To do that I only need to show one example where he does. And it's one white supremacist I'm familiar with.
To my knowledge, being a nut-job doesn't preclude somone from being a white supremacist. If they're propagandizing white supremacists talking points to a large audience, even if "mad", they're still a fucking white supremacist. Honestly, the cogent ones are more scary. But, If they're talking about the 'fall of the western civilization', the threat of the 'globalists', or aping rhetoric from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion: they're a white supremacist. Which Alex spins into current events around a narrative to have people believe the world is ending in a month or so just in time before the lovely ad pivot. Again, it's not something he'll directly say, but its something that gets picked up over time after listening to him for way too long. A through line, of sorts, as he dons and shifts positions, or the conspiracy 'flavor of the week,' as he picks up whatever narrative he finds helpful so he can continue to doomsay.
I will say Jones has some sort of illness, but I don't know the exactly where it ends and his act that enriched him begins. For example, 2008-2012 era Jones hits differently than 2016 onward.
I'd be more than happy to pick out audio clips where he does precisely this, if you want. However that will take me a bit cause I don't have a perfect recollection of all the vile shit he's said. There's always the Knowledge Fight podcast, where they debunk the idiot, but that's your call. They, weirdly enough, were expert witnesses at Jone's Sandyhook civil trial.
Edit: A good day Knowledge Fight covers of Alex's show is episode 796: February 4, 2004. Start at 11:07 to avoid the podcaster bloat. It's a case where everyone who is a guest just so happens to be Nazis. Of course, there are many of other days like this, of course.
Man, you need to get a different hobby. Spending time thinking some nutjob snake oil salesman is nazi because he dabbles in conspiracies. The fact you just admit you watched a lot of Alex Jones tells me your as crazy as any Alex Jones fanboy.
Honestly, there are like no nazi left out there except for a dozen trailer park bikers and a few weird teenagers. WWII came to an end almost 80 years ago. The "Nazi empire" got destroyed by the west and the Soviet Union. I know you lefties like to think there is a nazi around every corner and rock, but I cannot take you seriously with your over the top opinion.
It is safe to assume that you think 30% - 60% of the population are nazis because they like watching and following so and so online that had connections or a talk with so and so that has been labelled a nazi by your prophets.
Well, no, my grandmother had conspiratorial thought, and once she passed, while Jones wasn't super popular (or influential) and at the time he was amusing and harmless, he made me nostalgically think of her. So I kept it on in the back ground. As I became an adult I shifted to less time consuming way to interact with his content as I questioned the ethics of watching his content directly. Dood was a fun crazy back in the day. Now, yikes.
As a Floridian, I have seen straight up swastika tattoos and SS lightning bolts on necks. The white supremacist movement did adopt Nazi iconography a few decades ago. They aren't literally nazis, but are people who are pushing Ur-giest adjacent philosophy alongside the same sources and arguments. And -- no -- I don't see them around every corner because they're in the super minority, but thoughts like Great-Replacment theory are becoming increasingly mainstream. You're putting thoughts in my head in lieu of making an argument and inventing an "argument", imagine I think that, and are attacking it instead. Where did I claim there were Nazis around every corner? I claimed there exists at least one supremacist and they appeared on Joe's show.
Look, you're shifting away from a fairly straight forward argument the Joe had a white supremacist on his podcast. I gave you a digestible source to discover that claim and cite their sources in a verifiable way. Jones doesn't just dabble in conspiracy, he purposefully has vocal white supremacists on his show regularly, doesn't address it, and pushes his audience to their spaces while dog-whistling white supremacist arguments. See Feuntes appearing on his show. I know this because I watched his show for years
Again, cannot take you seriously man. Would you take a flat earther seriously? I doubt it. If your going to call a leftie podcast host a nazi and white supermacist, why should I take you seriously?
I'm ... Super confused. I'm claiming Alex Jones is a white supremacist. You claimed Joe never had supremacist on his podcast. I said he had Jones on, therefore he has.
I never said Joe was a white supremacist. Where did I say that?
I just assumed you thought Joe Rogan was a nazi or whatever since Joe had guests on you thought were evil. Most people who use the word nazi like salt at the dinner table will consider a podcast hostman who had "evil" guests as a nazi or whatever for simply having the "evil" guest on.
Same with Alex Jones. Alex Jones is not a nazi or white supremacist, he is a nutjob.
Understand now bud?
There's no need to be condescending
No, from what understand about Joe's brand is he platforms unpopular ideas. He let's them say their thing and goes on. It can include supremacists, and pseudoscientist. Or fun guests people want to hear from. I say, let him do his thing. Like you, and other people said in the comments section have said, most of these people hang themselves on their own statments. But there's a worry in the back of my head of pushing traffic towards these people -- that's here nor there in our discussion. I took umbridge with the statement that supremacists don't appear on Joe's which Alex is one.
Jones even had David Duke appear on his show. He had a pretty groveling debate with him, but you can look into that if you want. He repetitively has supremacist guests on show -- I don't know what to tell you. It's pretty slanted.
Well thinking anyone a nazi and to keep repeating such nonsense, expect people to get impatient with you.
Again, cannot take you seriously with that opinion. Believe in your leftie worldview view all you want, some will agree, others will roll their eyes and move on.
Again, take my advice and just drop this nonsense worldview and move on. Who cares what crazy Alex Jones says or who is on Joe Rogan's show this week.
That was a solid joke...sorry for the downvotes.
I was going to leave it at that but it seems internet warriors are incapable of understanding a joke just as their conservative counterparts are unable to understand satire... So it's just a bunch of morons in a different political spectrum, and I love to provoke morons.
In a lot of ways this place is worse than Reddit. This is one of them.
I have to confess that I don't really know who Joe Rogan is, sorry.
He was the electrician in the 90s sitcom NewsRadio. Then he told people to eat weird stuff for a while. Now he's just super into drugs and platforming right-wing nutjobs as far as I can tell.
But NewsRadio was pretty great.
OK. Never heard of NewsRadio. Sorry.
So as far as I'm concerned, he's yet another Internet lunatic with a following of cretins peddling the usual (I suppose)..
I sometimes wonder what the hippies would have made of the Internet. Would they have spread love through the fibre?
A lot of hippies are now into Q-anon and shit. It's really sad.
There's still plenty of people who were hippies in the 60s around and on the internet today... No need to wonder... Find one and ask them.
bro jogan?
Maybe.
I don't know how to put this, maybe it's just me, I know that nowadays it seems weird…
But if a link is a video, I just close it.
If it's text, I can parse it and get a feel for it because I've spent a lifetime browsing text.
You can't browse video.
You can't search video.
You can't have an overview of video.
Video plain sucks for almost everything.
Video is great for monetization.
Unless you can't read. Videos suck.
I can read.
Sorry about the rant. I'm really pissed off about the video everywhere trend. So, anyway, I don't watch videos.
A simple 'wrong' would've done just fine...
I'm not going to reply with videos, you sicko.
You right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCMxnS1438g
Tl;Dw
I don't go out of my way to listen to him, but some of his episodes with people like Neil Degrasse Tyson and Brian Cox come up in my YouTube feeds. As long as Rogan isn't talking then they're ok.
And that is exactly the problem. He did some episodes with reputable media figures/science communicators, so it seems to a naive listener, like these are just regular interviews. And then he has a bunch of weirdos that just spout conspiracies, bullshit and hate, but since it's in the exact same style as the interviews with reputable people, a naive listener might assume that the conspiracy nut is as trustworthy as all the other people. And that's dangerous.