this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2023
90 points (100.0% liked)

Gaming

19859 readers
18 users here now

Sub for any gaming related content!

Rules:

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/5186904

archive

Unity, the tech company behind one of the most popular engines for creating video games, is scrambling to clarify how a price increase for its services will work, after its announcement Tuesday morning broadly infuriated the game development community.

Why it matters: The fees, which Unity said are essential for funding development of its tech, left many game makers wondering if having a hit game through Unity would cost them more money than they could make.

  • Developers spoke throughout the day of delaying their games to switch to rival Epic Games' Unreal Engine or other services on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
  • But by the evening, Unity exec Marc Whitten was updating Axios on the policies, potentially defusing some concerns raised by game creators.

Details: The new "Runtime Fee" announced Tuesday morning is tied to a player's installations of a game, an action that previously didn't cost developers anything.

  • With Unity's new plan, developers who use Unity's free tier of development services would owe Unity $0.20 per installation once their game hit thresholds of 200,000 downloads and earn $200,000 in revenue.
  • Developers paying over $2,000 a year for a Unity Pro plan would have to hit higher thresholds and would be charged with lower fees.
  • The newfee system will begin at the start of 2024.

Yes, but: Game developers, rallying on X, began fuming immediately that any game enjoying a spike in installations due to a big sale, inclusion in a charity bundle or even just by being included in a popular subscription service like Microsoft's Game Pass, would trigger back-breaking Unity fees.

  • "Stop it," development studio Innersloth, makers of the hit Among Us, tweeted Tuesday evening. "This would harm not only us, but fellow game studios of all budgets and sizes...."
  • Another studio, Aggro Crab, called on Unity to reverse its plans, saying that it feared that its next game, set for release to the 25 million subscribers on Game Pass, could incur fees that "threaten the stability of our business."

The intrigue: Unity has scrambled to clarify and in one key case alter what it has said about its policies around the fees.

Zoom in: After initially telling Axios earlier Tuesday that a player installing a game, deleting it and installing it again would result in multiple fees, Unity'sWhitten told Axios that the company would actually only charge for an initial installation. (A spokesperson told Axios that Unity had "regrouped" to discuss the issue.)

  • He hoped this would allay fears of "install-bombing," where an angry user could keep deleting and re-installing a game to rack up fees to punish a developer.
  • But an extra fee will be charged if a user installs a game on a second device, say a Steam Deck after installing a game on a PC.

Between the lines: Runtime fees will also not be charged for installations of game demos, Whitten said, unless the demo is part of a download that includes the full game (early access games would be charged for an installation, he noted).

  • Games offered for charity or included in charities will be exempt from the fees. Unity will provide a way for developers to inform Unity that their games are being offered that way, Whitten said.
  • As for Game Pass and other subscription services, Whitten said that developers like Aggro Crab would not be on the hook, as the fees are charged to distributors, which in the Game Pass example would be Microsoft.
  • Runtime fees will also not be charged for installations of game demos, Whitten said, unless the demo is part of a download that includes the full game (early access games would be charged for an installation, he noted).

Of note: Whitten estimates that only about 10% of Unity's developers will wind up having to pay any fees, given the thresholds games need to hit.

What they're saying: "Our core point with this is simply to make sure that we have the right value exchange so that we can continue to invest in our fundamental mission to make sure that we can deliver the best tools for people to make great games."

  • "It's not fun to get a bunch of angry feedback on any particular day. And I think that that is us needing to clarify some of these points.
  • "But we're we're listening and we will continue to make sure that we deliver the best that we can."

Go deeper... Unity CEO: Generative AI will make better games, but won't steal jobs

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Sanctus 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This honestly sounds like a lot of overhead in development. How does Unity track my installs? Do I have to do anything to my games? Do I have to warn users about privacy related to Unity's tracking? Does it have to be in my TOS? These are just privacy questions.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How does Unity track my installs?

All they'll say is what amounts to "just trust us, it's fiiiine"

[–] Sanctus 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm miffed to say the least. I hate 2D in Unreal and I'm mid development in Unity. But now I might as well halt and move to Unreal.

Edit: my feelings are totally biased. I'll get over it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I hear 2D is pretty good in Godot

[–] OscarRobin 8 points 1 year ago

Godot. Defold.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course your feelings are going to be biased. Anyone being told they're about to get royally screwed is going to be biased because it's personal to them

[–] Sanctus 3 points 1 year ago

I meant specifically how I feel about making 2D in UE since I am used to Unity. But yeah sudden ass-fucking policy changes are bound to piss people off

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

From that post:

Q: If a user reinstalls/redownloads a game / changes their hardware, will that count as multiple installs?

A: Yes. The creator will need to pay for all future installs. The reason is that Unity doesn’t receive end-player information, just aggregate data.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yup, no information on how they actually get that information. The only assumption I can make is that it's some sort of telemetry in the installer or the engine

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What kind of game engine charges per install? Not per sale or even per user. Really bad precedent.