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Communism doesn't incentive excess production or planned obsolescence. Historically they also had good public transportation.
Im saying there is a lot of energy waste in capitalism that leads to tons of emisions
Its no coincidence that the the US is one of the highest emitters of carbon.
Energy waste like heating homes, powering hospitals, and getting food from point A to point B?
Considering the Holodomor maybe that last point I can concede
What exactly are you arguing?
Are you suggesting communist societies don't have heat, hospitals and transport?
Are you suggesting there aren't green methods to achieve those?
That list in particular , yes they can be covered by renewables
Im am of the belief that we cant maintain our current lavish lives on renewables alone though.
Personally I think scaling back mixed with renewables is the answer. Less priority for the meat industry (of which I am a partaker), more work from home, more low emmision public transport.
There is no one silver bullet in the fight against the climate change. It will take an amalgamation of methods.
I agree with all of these things, but I find it doubtful that the industry, if left to the whims of its industry leaders, will ever take the plunge of their own accord, because they're making too much money producing fossil fuels. And that income includes massive subsidies, eclipsing any efforts towards renewables, meaning the state is also in collusion.
Oh absolutely. No disagreements here.
The quickest path to mitigating the effects of climate catastrophe is to reform out economic and therefore political system. Easier said than done though
Yes, I wouldn't say it's a simple fix. But the broad strokes are easily described: introduce democracy to our economy. True democracy, from the people, to the people. Let us dictate how the market functions and what it produces
No. The exact opposite.
I think you clearly are misinterpreting my argument.
Capitalism produces MORE emissions. That's all im saying. I never said Communism produces zero emmisions.
Citation needed
https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions
Scroll down to the breakdown by year by country. None of the communist inclusive countries and continents even make the list.
South America, famous for its communist and socialist revolutions is barely a blip on that graph, as a whole continent.
That's because they're poor as fuck. What do you think you're sharing, here?
Venezuela's entire government is funded by oil exports, making them, as a state a global sponsor of climate change.
People consume oil and the economic system they live in has nothing to do with that.
And why do you think those countries are poor as fuck?
Ah I see. You don't like the evidence so you hand wave. Thats enough talking to you.
Appreciate you stopping but it's more than you don't even understand the data you're sharing
Those aren't wastages. Also...
https://youtu.be/3kaaYvauNho?si=TVoinmNrI10gq6TU
Lmao I can't believe you actually linked some shit-ass YouTube video saying the Holodomor was fine, actually.
A thoroughly researched essay on the subject
saying the Soviet famine was a fucking travesty, and Stalin should be shot, but there is no indication it was a deliberate policy
At least watch the first 10 seconds, ya fucking goof