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Shit like this is why I don't get (some of) the LGBTQ community's fascination with communism and tankies.
They have proven themselves just as anti-LGBTQ as the fascists.
pick one, because they are not interchangeable.
One is antithetical to authoritarianism, and the other seeks nothing but.
There is plenty of good reason for LGBTQ+ folks to be attracted to communism.
Anarcho-communism is antithetical to authoritarianism. But the use of the word today is nearly synonymous with Lenin’s or Bolshevik’s communism (and their further variations by multiple future parties, like Mao-communism), because this was the only flavor that actually existed as ideology in countries where communist parties were/are in power.
You my run with your own definition of communism being of a particular flavor, but you will always face people that do not understand you, because the common definition is not that.
The tankies scream real loud that they're communist. So it's pretty easy to get confused.
Absolutely true.
There are, however, for some unfathomable reason, queer tankies. That, I do not understand.
Think of it this way - you're a queer person who has struggled most of your life to feel safe and accepted. Then you meet a community that tells you all transphobes get the firing squad. Suddenly you feel safe, accepted, and like you matter. That emotional contrast is veryy appealing and addicting.
Nevermind that in real life, if you were putting people to the firing squads for as little as saying "neopronouns are stupid" will actually just make the majority of people fear and hate the queer community in the long run.
and also in real life the soviet union regularly executed queers
Same type of people as Log Cabin Republicans
There were also Jews for Hitler.
Oh yeah, no argument there, just like those log cabin conservatives or whatever, there will always be people who both internalise their own oppression to such a degree, and also have the willingness to step over others to benefit themselves, who will act as "one of the good ones" for the oppressing group, tokens they think will be spared but never are.
Not if you actually look at communist countries anywhere in the real world.
Hoo boy.
The point being raised, I believe, is that 'communist' countries are generally as 'communist' as they are 'the people's' or 'democratic' - it bears little resemblance to the 19th century theories which spawned the term and which are still in use amongst socialist thinkers today.
So you're saying there's no actual communist countries, and this whole this is just theoretical?
I mean, countries controlled by communist parties themselves would say that. Communist parties generally claim to run a socialist worker's state which will lead to communism.
In reality, it's just a power grab, with little to do with the workers.
There have been socialist polities in the past 100 years, genuinely socialist. None without their faults, but certainly not the totalitarian farce that people think of when they think of communism.
Correct.
Man, that's really convenient.
I recon the Neozapatista communes in Chiapas come pretty close. Historically, Revolutionary Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War, the Makhnovshina during the Russian Civil War, and a couple others also came very close to the definition of communism, although all of them, because they still had to interact with the outside economy, continued to use some form of money.
In the case of the aforementioned historic governments, they met their demise because they relied too heavily on an alliance with tankies, who then proceeded to shoot them in the back. The Neozapatistas did not ally with any authoritarian groups, which is why the sprung up in 1994 in the form of MAREZ and still exist today in the form of GALs.
Yes, when you actually understand what communism is, and don't play the "the nazis were actually socialists it's in the name" card
https://medium.com/international-workers-press/misconceptions-about-communism-2e366f1ef51f
Okay, so give me an actual real communist country where LGBTQ people are treated well and as equals.
What the fuck
They're mocking that idea about the Nazis, not endorsing it.
that's exactly what you're doing.
an authoritarian calling his dictatorship the leftist thing doesn't make it the leftist thing, it just makes it part of a pattern of the power hungry intentionally co-opting of leftist ideas to gain popularity.
As for the first question, if you had followed the conversation at all or bothered reading any of the information I linked you would be able to answer that yourself, and I'm done doing the work for you, if you care, make your own effort to find out.
It's better than most, but conversion therapy is not banned, and non-binary individuals are not legally recognised, so still not equal.
At least they're trying however.
Unfortunately, there always are.
But credit to Cuba, they really are doing well on all other LGBTQ issues.
https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/zapatistas-gay-rights-let-those-who-persecute-be-ashamed
The Zapatistas have organized a net of interconnected communes in Southern Mexico that have operated independently from the Mexican state since 1994. In these communes, productive property is held in common by the inhabitants. There are no employers or employees. Difference in wealth is negligible. Governance is achieved via participatory democracy. It is as close as you can get to communism when you're still forced to trade with capitalists and thus use money.