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I hear that, but I'm a left leaning Canadian whose face has been getting eaten by the left since they've taken power, so I'm getting to the point where I don't care who is in charge, I'm poor and I'm already getting fucked by the leftists, so getting fucked by the right can't be that much worse.
Liberals are not left, they are centerists.
In 2023 the liberals are socialists and the NDP are communists
I mean, they're liberals and inside the Canadian Liberal movement along with more centrist elements are left liberals such as social liberals or progressive liberals or even the odd social democrat ( although most of those in Canada are New Democrats). On the whole, Canadian Liberalism is more left of centre than classic liberalism, neo-liberalism or right liberalism. At least, in my estimation.
They're cultural leftists and financial rightwingers. They're just conservatives that pander to gay people and minorities
Uh....yeah, it'll get much worse. Just look at the track record of Conservatives and their policies.
When and where did they take power? Because they've never made government nationally in Canada, and provincially there hasn't been a leftist government since the NDP functionally abandoned democratic socialism in the 90s.
Layton really moved on the party on that front. Which was gd depressing to watch. 😕
This is the most stereotypically leftist thing I've ever heard. Layton had a real chance to become the best PM we've ever had, but people STILL attack him from the left. Much easier to purity test anyone out of contention and complain from the sidelines!
I grew up in Saskatchewan in the 60's-70's where the NDP was born. My grandfather ran for the CCF and I've watched the NDP move to a centre-left mandate that reminds me how much we've lost.
But do go on telling me how I don't know anything.
What have we lost? The NDP has never governed. We've lost nothing.
We lost a mid-to-far left option ... you know, the party, led by a Baptist minister, that created universal healthcare.
Are you the one downvoting me just because we disagree? Real mature.
An unelectable "option" is pointless. I would much rather see someone like Layton nudge the party slightly to the center in order to actually win an election and show people what an NDP government could do. That would do far more to benefit the left than always being a fringe party and rejecting the views of 90% of the electorate.
Whining about it is an order of magnitude more pathetic though
uNeLeCtAbLe
The liberal party that has been in power is best described as neoliberal, which is a typically right leaning ideology. Their version of it is more centerist. Regardless, calling them "leftist" is factually incorrect.
Conservatives will always make things worse. They don't serve us, they serve themselves and whoever will make them the most money. Everything you're frustrated by from the liberals will get far worse with them in power.
The only party currently offering solutions is the NDP. Their housing plans involve policies that have been tried and tested in studies and in practice, they have a real plan for dealing with the climate crisis, and they're the only ones who will make electoral reform happen, which would end the liberal-conservative feedback loop we're stuck in.
If you think you're life will get any better under the Conservatives you're lying to yourself. Ontario is a representation of what is to come, their "solutions" will be nothing more than poor choices that will do more damage than good to the average person and will enrich their friends.
You can bitch about the federal liberals all you want but the fact of the matter is housing, healthcare, transportation are all handled by the province and those are failing due to decades of Conservative leadership. BC finally got rid of our Conservative party in 2017 and things have slowly gotten better, still not great but I guarantee better than if we stayed with the cons; at least our current premier is actually trying to make real change to legislation and policy to move the province out of the 1900s.
As a 32 year old with tens of thousands in school debt living with my parents who can't afford to move out despite making a decent income, I understand feeling like things aren't going to get better, but I guarantee voting for the party that has been sucking corporate dick and spitting in the face of the middle and lower classes in the open for decades isn't going to make things better for me, or you, or anyone in this country who actually needs the help.
How are you doing fellow leftist?
Waiting for all you fools to catch on that the politicians calling themselves leftists are very very rarely that
It’s not very nice to call people fools.