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[–] uis 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You do understand that Elon musk is full of shit, right?

Hahahahaha. It is so funny the first thing you mention is Musk. He sure looks like Musk:

AI isn't going to take away all jobs within the next year.

AI is not automation, it doesn't do a shit.

We automate the crap out of stuff but without humans, the system is dead within days and that isn't going to change for decades to come, still.

From the top of my head: steel plant. Just bring whatever needed to automatic loader and ship whatever stuff comes out with occasional taking of samples to check against desired specs.

Secong thing from top of my head: CNCs. They have been around for at least 50 years.

Mechanization is much simpler: just replace an army of street cleaners with operator and machine .

What? Not as eye-catching and you cannot flame in comments about Elon? This is reality, not a wet dream of billionare.

Maybe 20 years from now there will be universal income because both automation and AI became good enough to really take away jobs.

Except if we go into that age without economic reforms made beforehand, then it will become feudalism.

But until then, get your ass back to work, like everybody else

Sorry to disappoint you, but my work gets to me. That's called remote work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh boy, where to even start...

AI is not automation, it doesn’t do a shit.

AI is a subset of logical systems that can control hardware. You know, fly a plane, bake cookies in a factory, that sort of crap. Computer programming does everything.

From the top of my head: steel plant. Just bring whatever needed to automatic loader and ship whatever stuff comes out with occasional taking of samples to check against desired specs.

Yeah, and drawing a photo realistic horse too is done by drawing a circle and then drawing the rest of the horse. Seriously, "ship whatever stuff comes out"... Do you have any idea what goes on in a steel plant? Do you really think that there is no automation going on there now? Do you really think that a steel plant doesn't require humans to do what is done right now?

I don't really know what you are trying to say with the street cleaners? Sometimes loads of cheap people are used because then at least you got peopoe with a paid job?

Except if we go into that age without economic reforms made beforehand, then it will become feudalism.

There you go. Something that sounds remotely reasonable. I don't worry too much about feudalism. If you want reforms, start with the government (I suppose you are in the US). Get rid of the "winner takes all" elections so that you start having many more political parties that now spread the power and have to cooperate. This gives more political stability. This over time will push to more economic stability as well, more tax on rich, less divide between rich and poor.

Sorry to disappoint you, but my work gets to me. That’s called remote work.

So you don't "get" behind your computer? Either way, you still work, then.

[–] uis 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AI is a subset of logical systems that can control hardware. You know, fly a plane, bake cookies in a factory, that sort of crap.

Eeeyp. Control "logic".

Computer programming does everything.

Nope. Computer still need devices that will do actual shit. Do YOUR gaming pc with NNs and raytracing bakes cookies? Relay computer from 70-ies hooked up to oven does.

Do you have any idea what goes on in a steel plant?

It seems I oversimplified and took not good example. CNCs are better example. My point is a lot of stuff can be automated, a lot of stuff already was automated and it has nothing to do with certan billionare because he crawled or wasn't even born when automation started. And it doesn't require AI.

If you want reforms, start with the government

I think it is part of much broader problem with monopolies. We see start that does not exists, we don't see end, but it exists. Everything should be fixed, there is no "let's fix one thing and everything else will work because of it".

(I suppose you are in the US).

No, but where I am has all bad stuff from US. ~~*cough*corruption, oligarchy, Putin*cough*~~

Get rid of the "winner takes all" elections

Monopolies, monopolies everywhere.

so that you start having many more political parties that now spread the power and have to cooperate. This gives more political stability.

I don't think stability has its value in itself. If everything stable junk, stable corruption, stable irremovable "great leader", there is no point in stability.

So you don't "get" behind your computer? Either way, you still work, then.

You got me, I still "get" to workplace. Sadly, getting from work is harder, unless I knock myself unconscious.