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Can you show me where this post was on Hexbear?
Also yeah the Clinton campaign fucked itself in many ways, trump just being one that we all get to deal with on a daily basis still
This is the one: https://alexandrite.app/lemm.ee/post/5802627
The real consensus seems to be that he should be hanged just like all the other presidents, and that they find him funny because he is not as subtle as past presidents at doing the evil stuff.
The point I have seen being driven through is that they don't care to just mock people for their ideas and they really love to criticise without offering solutions besides violence and letting it all burn, which is a non-answer to most non-tankies, so there's an impasse.
I just find it very funny that on one hand people say they offer no solutions but on the other hand people say they want to discuss it too much and it's exhausting, they clearly have solutions which is Marxist-Leninism, that has been made abundantly clear over and over so how can one say they offer no solutions?
Marxist-Lenisnism is not really an answer since its not like you can change such a core design of a society overnight, and since they want it fast, their arguments tend to resolve into violence / letting it all burn (which tbh will also come with violence), and again for several people that's a non answer since they don't want violence, so there's an impasse.
For me that answer is like cool it won't happen while I'm alive so what's the point, either you tell me about something practical that people living in the situation can relate and/or act on (without violence), or I'll just answer with something like "cool, that's nice" and not contribute more since suddenly we are talking about something that's so radically overboard from the current society that it's pointless for me, and the vibe I get is that I'm not alone.
Sure it's not an answer for you but that doesn't mean it's right for you to incorrectly state they have no solutions.
I do find the Accelerationism that some on the far left push/advocate for to be a poor idea overall, I do think we need to slowly push people further left via things like social democracy and improving the lives of working class people via more social programs of that nature to be a better alternative, even though it will definitely take more time.
The problem is capitalism and the powers that be are constantly fighting against ANY progress on that front and are doing a damn good job of convincing people to fight against their own interests via various forms of propaganda.
On the other hand we're having a revival of unions like I've never seen in our country before, so it's not like there is no hope that things can improve, just the overall situation we find ourselves in makes it really easy for people to fall into more extreme views and apathy or anger about the system we're currently living in. I think a Marxist/leninists/left viewpoint is miles above the fascist/nationalistic alternative
I want to reiterate what I wrote. I said that they propose no solution besides X, that doesn't mean that they have no answer, but that their only answer is X. What I said is that their only answer is X and people find that answer problematic.
For context, I don't live in the US and I vote for the left parties of my country, which work for social programs within the status quo, not for breaking the status quo. I get that what the US has is way more extreme, but this is a global forum and there's people from countries where is not so bad. When the conversation is almost binary (you are the west or not, no middle point) and their context is not applicable to all, you get this kind of antagonism. And I get that everyone is not that way, I have had several positive and negative encounters with them, but people remember negative experiences more easily that positive ones.
That's all, have a nice day
Someone else found it for me: https://hexbear.net/post/451217
So them saying he's comical (which he is)but should still be executed for his crimes is a bad thing?
Executed for the crime of being a US president, nothing to do with his policies of attacking minority groups.
Lol do you really think that's what they think? They're not as shallow as you seem to think.
I'm going off what gets posted and upvoted and interacted with.
It is possible there's a comment buried in there that covers Trump's record of policies and rhetoric regarding minorities, and I missed it.
So you think it's as simple as, "well they hate presidents so they want them all to die and who cares about minorities!"
Not "who care about minorities" but "we exploit minorities for political advantage".
IE label everyone who disagrees with you as a transphobes, place all transpobes in front of a firing squad
Also actual transphobes (such as most of Russia) gets a free pass.
It's not about fighting transphobes, it's about fighting people who aren't authoritarian communists.