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Two escaped dogs savaged a flock of pregnant sheep, killing 22 and injuring another 48, before the out-of-control American XL bulldogs were shot. A farmer turned his gun on the pair of escaped animals that subjected his livestock to a brutal attack on a Welsh farm.

The financial cost of the incident, including the numerous deaths and injuries, amounted to more than £14,000.

The owner of the two dogs – David Hughes, 26, of Pen y Wern, Rhosllanerchrugog – appeared at Wrexham Magistrates’ Court where he admitted being in charge of a dog dangerously out of control and being the owner of a dog worrying livestock. Hughes was banned from keeping dogs for five years and ordered to pay £900 in fines.

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[–] breadsmasher 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

“Why is my dog bred to fight and kill, fighting and killing?”

[–] thehatfox 21 points 1 year ago

"It's a problem with the owner and not the dog."

We really need to update or replace the Dangerous Dogs Act, both expanding the banned breeds and giving larger penalties having them.

[–] SupraMario 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was confused why you wrote this about bulldogs at first. As this is what I'm pretty sure all Americans think of bulldogs.

https://cdn-prd.content.metamorphosis.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/shutterstock_607907102-1-768x512.jpg

Short cuddley little guys who just love to be couch potatoes and slobber everywhere.

Then I realized this article is talking about pitbulls...never heard them called American xl bulldogs, always just pitbulls.

Learn something everyday.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd never heard the term either here in the US.

Apparently a "bully" is a pitbull/bulldog cross, and XL is a larger variety.

[–] SupraMario 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah they do not look anything like what I expected them to be, definitely pitbulls and this doesn't surprise me in the least that they killed sheep. They're just dangerous dogs.

[–] breadsmasher 6 points 1 year ago

Tbf I generally here them referred to as “XL Bullies” rather than bulldog

[–] tankplanker 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because there is demand for it. Ban this breed and the demand does not go away, it will just switch to a new breed that isn't banned as its done before.

The way that they define dog breeds on the list is pretty shit as well, especially when a simple cross breed can circumvent it (have a look at how many pittie crosses can be picked up from dog rehoming centres) and the police don't get involved until the dogs already gone too far.

License the breeders, sell only neutered and chipped dogs unless to another licensed breeders, and make the breeders responsible for the dog to match an agreed healthy standard for the breed with aggressive and unhealthy breeds being bred out of existence.

Sure, there will always be unlicensed breeders but use big fines to enable the RSPCA and vets to actually enforce it. Granted it will take up to 15 years from implementation to really kick in but just adding yet another dog to the list is just not working.

[–] Urbanfox 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem about selling only neutered dogs is that larger breeds (labradors, Newfoundland's, boxers) need to hit maturity before being fixed to ensure proper growth and prevent future health issues. This can be up to 3 years.

Definitely not feasible when a bitch has a litter of 10 puppies that need to be kept for 3 years before being sold to their new homes.

[–] tankplanker 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm afraid that's an old wives tale, up there with not being able to spay a bitch until after their first period. Its owner preference as there are different health and behavior benefits doing it early or late, or somewhere in the middle.

Personally I would set it at 6 to 12 months, you do not want dogs leaving the mother too young and you need time to spot some of the behavior/health issues.

We have far too many dogs in the UK, just ask any dog rehoming centre, this is in part to massively reduce that problem while improving the health and behaviors of all dogs.

[–] Urbanfox 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd love to see the studies if you have some links. My opinion was formed on a Cochrane analysis of several longitudinal studies for cancer specifically in bitches by breed, so anything I can add to my research would be appreciated.

[–] tankplanker 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cochrane analysis of several longitudinal studies for cancer specifically in bitches by breed

Since you already have a few, why don't you go first, as its you that is making that claim to be an expert in this field. I am sure you have plenty of them if this is the case? Zero point me linking you to your own papers.

I outlined that many vets and associations relying on vets suggest its a trade off depending on what age you do neuter or if you do at all, rather than a blanket 3 year or not all approach that you suggested, implying that its the only option.

[–] Urbanfox 1 points 1 year ago

You must have misread, I'm no expert - just a biologist who tried to make an educated decision on when to spay my lab. Happy to cite sources though - looking again, the study I found most robust is longitudinal rather than Cochrane but had a very large data set which was my interest.

This for example helped me to decide to leave my spay until after 11 months.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7359819/

Feel free to share yours, it's been a couple of years since I dug through research pieces, sharing information and forming educated opinions is key for good science.