THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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RULES
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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Because it’s an easy and all too common lie that police tell. If he really did try to run someone over then I agree all bets are off, but more often they are simply trying to escape. If you run in front of a moving car, that is not the same as the driver trying to run you over.
Also, shooting the driver of a moving car doesn't stop the car from moving. Might be better to just move. What ever happened to spike strips?
Cops killing someone should be a last resort, not a first choice. Standing in front of a car is a frequent precursor to cops killing the driver, and I'd suggest that shoplifting doesn't warrant a death stance.
Especially in 2023. "Quick, we have to capture the shoplifter before they get away forever!" "Uh, we have 4k video of them stealing, their plates, and social media. It'll take like 20 minutes to find them."
Cops should never intentionally kill someone, even when fired upon the intention should be to subdue and ensure the safety of bystanders, not create a hail of bullets that often kills hostages etc.
If NATO peacekeeping troops can do it on the battlefield you should be able to do it against a single perp in the burbs.
I'm not going to kill for my job either, especially over some inanimate objects.
But if I did want to kill people, I know exactly what job I'd apply for.
It's because of the number of times they put themselves in front of said car rather than someone trying to hit them.
if "all bets are off" why even have laws? Why can't I just kill my neighbor and say he was trying to back his car into me?
If all you need is to say that magic phrase, what protects you against someone saying it about you?
I think it's really funny that the cops got revenge on you and you still think this
If that was the joke you were going for you should put the last 3 sentences at the beginning of your comment, which will tie back the punch line to the first sentence.
Like this is a great joke you almost had it.
https://youtu.be/k9pOgw3ehkk?si=pZYELzlkOfCm0VEz
Cars are deadly weapons.
And I believe in this post they were probably justified in stopping him from using his car dangerously. But why was he driving like that? Because the cops chased him over SHOPLIFTING
Just get his license plate and let him go home where you can find him. Run the plates and if the car is stolen, then that's a better reason to go after him
I'll believe "they were probably justified in stopping him from using his car dangerously" when police release the bodycam footage that shows the perp was actually driving in a manner dangerous to the cops. Until the video, having seen that particular lie debunked many times, my assumption is that it's the same old, same old lie.