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Fairphone 5 Launch (inv.tux.pizza)
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[–] Intralexical 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let us not forget that S7 and S7 Edge had headphone jack and were waterproof.

Not user-disassemblable, much less Lego-style modular, though. Easy to make something "waterproof" when you can just seal it shut with "gooey black adhesive".

I personally think the headphone jack is a wonderful truly universal and effectively completely open standard that's very good at what it does, and which furthermore is doubly useful as a generic power and analog signal delivery mechanism, while mandating its supposed successors like Bluetooth and USB-C needlessly and massively inflates the technical and material cost of just playing a dang sound file. You could get serviceable wired headphones that last forever for like $5 if you were lucky; Nowadays, you pay at least ten times that for fragile lithium batteries and circuitry that will break in a couple years, and I really don't like this trend of taking away capabilities for less robust alternatives while portraying it as innovating.

But I also actually use my Bluetooth headphones way more than my wired ones, and I appreciate the potential engineering and market challenges in what Fairphone is trying to do here.

[–] MeanEYE 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I meant the argument of removing 3.5mm to make it everything waterproof is not holding because there are phones out there which are perfectly waterproof with 3.5mm jack.

[–] Intralexical 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. And I'm saying that's not really a valid comparison, because those phones are generally just monolithic slabs that have been glued shut, whereas Fairphone has to implement a user-serviceable modular design with actual seals and stuff.

Would giving it both water-sealing and a headphone jack be worth increasing the price by another €20, because it adds a new potential ingress point that the rest of the phone might have to be redesigned around? What if the jack is one of the biggest parts that isn't replacable? Fairphone 5's apparently only rated IP55, while Fairphone 4's only IP54. That's barely even really "waterproof", but more like "splash-proof". Would adding another hole in the frame be worth possibly reducing that rating to IP53 or IP52 ("drip-proof")? Would it be worth reducing the warranty by 4 years, because some amount of dust and moisture still works its way in over time no matter how robust the rest of the phone is?

Personally I think I would probably rather have the jack even if it meant no waterproofing at all. But that might not be the direction the market is leaning in, and we don't know what tradeoffs exactly they've considered to arrive at their final design with decent-ish waterproofing and good reparability but no headphone jack.

They have written about this directly in some detail, it seems. If nothing else, it shows that they have put some thought into the issue, and they're aware that removing the headphone jack will be disappointing for some users, but overall they see making the phone thinner and adding IP rating as being the higher priority:

https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9836188988049-Audio-Jack-3-5mm