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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is no "second right" in France. The law is simple : Don't wear visible religious sign at school. There are private religious schools if you disagree with the public system.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is it so insane to think there could be a school with both religious and areligious people at the same time? A secular school that doesn't support a religion, but allows students to express themselves how they choose? When did that become a radical idea?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's not insane, but this separation has been done in 1905. In France the state is separated from the church (and by extension the religious). It's not radical it takes roots in the principle of equality.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Separation of church and state is always a good thing, I'm not arguing against that, but this feels like a whole different level. If anything, this is the state taking an active role in changing the rules of the church. That's not separation, that's state sponsored atheism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The public schools are the one from the state. Those one are separate from the church. But everybody can go tothe private schools those can be religious or not.

That's secularism, not atheism.

[–] assassin_aragorn 0 points 10 months ago

I don't see it as separation. Requiring something religious or banning something religious are both state mandates. It's moreso a strict secular enforcement.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago

Students should express themselves how they choose.

That's why you protect them from indoctination/religion forcing a certain outfit upon them.