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E-Bike Industry Blames Consumers For Fires In Effort To Undermine ‘Right To Repair’ Laws
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This, and the propensity for manufacturers to hyperfixate on trying to make everything proprietary, is why I will never buy a prebuilt e-bike. My bike is a converted regular bike, and if any component fails I can just rip it off and replace it with any of a variety of readily available yum-cha components. The prices a lot of manufacturers are asking for these pieces of shit are astronomical, too. If you're not afraid to run a wire or two, you can build a more performant bike with bigger battery capacity for half the price or less.
This is one of the reasons I haven't bought an E-bike yet. You can buy a road-legal motorcycle for the price of some E-bikes. It's just too much for what they are.
I mean sure, but at the low end of the market you can get a decent ebike with Shimano Altus shifters, disc brakes, etc for like ~$1000 which is basically getting a $700 regular bike + $300 for the ebike components.
Right, you're better off building your own.
I got one for ~$700 with that (though Tourney, not Altus). The tradeoff however was power (it's 250w) and size (plus build quality, probably... also, no suspension or ignition) but it does work. I've tried an XP 2.0 so I do have some frame of reference, it still works for me.
I wonder if I'd like an even smaller bike (currently already 20" wheels, somewhat short wheelbase, 45lbs), though I might just want a lighter bike (which would cost more). Well I would wonder, but from what I've seen I'd need to buy something used (and it's more of a UK thing) to get a small (non-electric) bike for under $700. Sometimes just the frames for those cost over that. Also, searching for this size of bike is difficult (results give small motorized things (even w/bicycle), bike models, clown bikes (no gears)).
Even a cheap car in my country. The car might actually cost less
Ar one time that was true here, but anymore used cars have become as expensive as a new car.
I bought and sold my kawasaki ZR7 for around ~3k, half of what even some of the cheapest road legal E-Bike costs, more like a third of the price if you look at average.
The inclusion of “even some of the cheapest” here confuses me. And the idea that 3k is a third of the AVERAGE price?
Some of the cheapest from specific brands, maybe. A Trek eBike will put you out a significant chunk of cash, sure.
But the cheapest eBikes are not $6k, and the average eBike is not $9k.
My Aventon Level.2, a class 3 eBike which will pedal assist up to 28mph/45kph and which I regularly ride on roads, was a little under $1800. Plus $40ish dollars for the oval 52T chainring so I can actually sustain that 28mph. And Aventons are sort of middle-of-the-road, price-wise. Not cheap, not excessively expensive.
I think it's the terminology. I was referring to an EMotorcycle, something that is street legal on every motorway, including highways. Those tend to range between 10-25k, there are cheaper models for like 5-6k, but most don't have the best reviews.
Ah, gotcha.
Someone else pointed out how if your looking for a pedal bike type setup, you can buy conversion kits for $200-400 on Amazon or Ali if you have an extra bike laying around. Kits have all sorts of different setups, you can convert to assist, or even full electric.
I might do that, I would use my bike more if I didn't have to exert so much energy to get anywhere worth going. Will also be a much easier sell to my wife🤣
I hadn’t considered something like this until after I already had my ebike. My “acoustic” bike hangs forlornly in my garage now.
Yum-cha?
Lifted and corrupted from Chinese, broadly: commodity made-in-China parts, gadgets, or other tat that's all largely interchangeable and cheap. Brandless or with a functionally meaningless non-brand label. The type of stuff you used to get from Chinatown, but these days you're more likely to get from Amazon, eBay, or Aliexpress.
("Yum cha" could be less idiomatically translated from Cantonese as "drink tea," more broadly to "go to the dim sum place," or later even more broadly than that, "straight from Chinatown.")
See also.
Given that I understand yum Cha in a different context (drinking tea), isn't using this phrase to describe shitty Chinese parts a little... racist? Or at least, some form of cultural appropriation (I can't think of a better phrase to us right now).
Well, is it more or less racist than just calling them shitty and Chinese? Or shitty because they're Chinese?
I dunno. It's been in at least semi-common use since the early '90's as far as I can tell.
Well, I was curious too, don't have an answer for you. I just feel a little uncomfortable with a phrase that I know (and have used when speaking to Cantonese people) being used in a negative fashion for a completely different thing. But maybe it's just a cultural clash, so I wanted to clarify.
I have a bike laying around and a bunch of tools I inherited and rarely use... have a guide or a place to start? I have always been interested and am not afraid to rework something a dozen times or order stuff straight from a mandarin only supplier on Alibaba or the like, I just never really knew where to start.
What I did was get a full rear wheel conversion kit, which comes with the motor speed controller, throttle control, most of them come with some kind of pedal assist sensors, and obviously the hub motor and rear wheel assembly. I already had a bicycle lying around. These are almost always bring-your-own battery affairs. Everything else in the kit just plugs together, and you get to decide where to route the wires down your bike frame. Maybe bring some zip ties. E-bike battery kits are readily available on Amazon or eBay, or you can have a go at making your own battery pack out of bare cells. I was lazy, so I got a premade battery pack. The only real DIY aspects I had to deal with was mating the battery pack connector to the power input on the motor speed controller box, which required some soldering (or you could use crimp connectors, I guess) and also figuring out where to mount the battery pack and motor controller to the frame of the bike.
I also decided to make my life difficult by wiring alongside this an entire secondary 12 volt system to run brake and tail lights, turn signals, a headlight, and a horn from a car (!) because if anyone runs me over they'll have no excuses. But you could easily omit all of that nonsense and deal with a lot fewer wires in your life.
I bought all of my conversion parts from Amazon. My buying strategy was just to look for stuff that had non-shill looking reviews.
Oh, that makes it real easy! What do the conversion kits cost? Other than installing and fitting, did you have to do a lot of tinkering, or was it basically out the box to go (-battery)?
In my case it was all plug and go, aside from fiddling around finding the best wire routing strategy.
The exact kit I got was this one, which appears discontinued but there are oodles just like it. It's around $250. The battery was this one, and again you can find tons that are identical and probably stamped out in the same factory. It was around $270.
Ooh, I found basically the same thing for like $180 on Ali! There are cheaper ones, but they look iffy. You can some real interesting kits for $300 lol.