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[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So much for freedom of religion.

"When you walk into a classroom, you shouldn't be able to identify the pupils' religion just by looking at them,"

What a dumb fucking reason. Really, that's the best he could come up with? Why not? What's so bad about knowing someone's religion, when they are obviously not shy about it?

I get banning religious symbols from schools, because the institutes themselves are supposed to be non-religious (seperation of state and church and so on), but if the students themselves want to express their religion, let them.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why not

"Secularism means the freedom to emancipate oneself through school," Mr Attal told TF1

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes the freedom to do so. You should be free to NOT do that though. You should be free from pressure in both directions.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't have a parallel religious law system in a secular state. So there absolutely should be pressure on people to accept that religious "rules" have no power there.

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes but forbidding the choice to wear a cross necklace or a headscarf is not exactly freedom is it?

Nobody is arguing for a parallel law system

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you underestimate the influence of religious symbols. It's not just any type of clothing. It's a tool for religious communities that has considerable impact, especially when your parents make you wear it, it has beliefs attached to it and is easily visible to everyone around you.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean parents so have a lot of freedom to raise their children as they see fit. And I think that is a good thing. I would not do a lot of things that other people do, but it's totally in the rights of people to raise their children religiously, and that can include wearing certain kinds of clothes.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well, that's were we disagree. I don't think parents should be free to raise their child however they want to. And it's also not in their rights in every country.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably not the reason, but don't you remember how many assholes were at school? You express anything at all about yourself and you are open to attack.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Don't worry kids, the school attacked you so that other kids wouldn't be able to.