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I'm not a mechanical engineer but I'm happy this story was posted here so that I can ask questions!!
What are typical tolerances on large steel and/or aluminum and/or plastic parts on car sized panels? As a non-mech-e I'm not instinctively seeing the problem here.
EDIT: Oh wait a sec... I just made a hobby PCB with 130um tolerances. (5mil or 0.13mm). Huh... Single digit micron tolerance is absurd.
It varies.
You WANT to be as loose as possible while still sserving the function of what the part is supposed to do. The reason for that is every time you tighten tolerances, prices skyrocket to make that part. Drill a hole is dirt cheap, but you will get maybe +/- .050" (roughly +/- 1mm). Milling a hole is more expensive but you can easily hold +/-.005" (roughly +/- 0.1 mm). Then you can ream a hole and hold it to +/-.0005" (roughly +/- 0.01mm). Each different operation makes that feature roughly an order an magnitude more expensive. Not the whole part, mind you, but if you broken down what each step in the manufacturing of a part cost, each step would get more expensive by roughly 10x.
In general (and I am speaking in very vague terms because there is so much variety out there), but holding a machined part to +/-.005" is fairly typical for the more important dimensions and the less important ones are +/-.015" or even looser. You would only ever go to super tight tolerances when you absolutely need them - like if you were press-fitting a bearing onto a hole. You need that hole (bore) to be a very tight dimension. Thats when you would be asking for the kind of tolerances that Musk is asking for ALL PARTS. His quote - if it isn't fake - shows such a complete and utter ignorance to manufacturing it is painful to real.
A plastic part in your car is probably made to roughly +/-.010". A steel or aluminum machined part is probably made to +/-.005". Sheetmetal would be probably +/-.015" Some dimensions within that part might be looser, and some might be tighter if they were mating with another part. Musk is asking for all dimensions on all parts be +/-.0004"
I'll use inches since I'm American.
+/- .005 inch is a common tolerance when cutting metal with mills and lathes. Also for milling circuit boards as you mentioned. You can get +/- .001 inch if you really have to, but you'll pay for it.
EDM and precision grinding can get you +/- .0005 on small metal parts.
Bending operations in sheet metal are more like .010 or .015 per bend. So if you have 3 bends between screw holes A and B then their relative positions might vary by +/- .045 inches.
With big parts you tend to need larger tolerances, though the parts also flex significantly. You can use the flex to your advantage by designing clever alignment features that make the part deform to fit. Plastic car body panels do this.
I hope Elon is just using a bit of hyperbole to try to motivate his engineers. If he is being sincere then he's delusional.
How much bigger is .001 inch than 10 micrometers
0.001 in = 25.4 micron
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I only find German stuff but if you search for "ISO 2768" you'll find a chart of general tolerances which are used most of the times.
There are lots of charts like this one:
https://www.china-machining.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/gensun-table-1-tolerances.png
I found a site in English with what I meant here.