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The future of back-end development (lemm.ee)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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What are your opinions on the future of back-end web development? Is the Java ecosystem going to wither away as more modern and better solutions are emerging and maturing?

If so, which language/framework and/or programming paradigm do you think will become the new dominant player and how soon?

Personally I would love to see Rust becoming a new standard, it's a pleasure to write and has a rapidly growing ecosystem, I don't think it's far away from overtaking Java. The biggest hurdle imo is big corporations taking a pretty big risk by choosing a relatively new language that's harder to learn compared to what has been the standard for decades.

Playing it safe means you minimize surprises and have a very large amount of people that are already experts in the language.

Taking the risk will definitely improve a lot of things given that you find enough people that know or are willing to learn Rust, but it also means that you're trading off Java flaws with Rust flaws. That's the case however with every big change, and Java flaws are a good enough reason to make a big change.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

To make things worse consulting companies live of cheap developers (like interns) and Microsoft and their platform makes things easier for anyone to code and deploy

You're saying this as it is a bad thing when it is not though; better defined APIs and ecosystems that lift cognitive load from you is always a good thing, there is no way to spin that as a negative.

I think dotnet offers an incredibly good ecosystem for development, and I say this as someone that wants to jump ship and change the stack. What pains me the most about the stack is nothing technical. It's not even the past predatory moves of microsoft, but the developer culture that surrounds it. Most dotnet devs I've worked with and talked to seem to be people that simply use visual studio as a window to the rest of the world. They tend to have very poor knowledge about almost everything with barely any fundamentals.

Not sure I follow your point about open source; I think everything we use at work is open source already. Everything is on github and there are quite a lot of discussions in how to steer the language and ecosystem being made in the wide open. It reminds me of the openjdk and python ecosystems. Third party libraries are all open source and have been since almost forever. There is still some closed source culture but not much.

[–] TCB13 3 points 10 months ago

I'm just saying that Microsoft created a self perpetuating (negative?) feedback loop when it comes to software development that essentially takes all the "hard parts" of programming and replaces them with services so anyone with little experience can deliver useful software products. That in turns allows for consulting companies to hire more cheap labor and reinforces the need to by into MS ecosystem that will be developed (improved?) even further in this direction...