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There's no arm wrestle going on, tech refused to play and left the Canadian government standing there with their pants down and no backup plan. I don't know how you could call that anything other than a failure.
I just told you, defeat comes if/when they rollback legislation without getting anything in return. Meta is holding the audience hostage, while Canadian politicians and local media constantly attack Facebook aiming for reputational harm. Same happened in Australia and eventually Meta folded and local media won.
I'm not betting money that things will go the same way here because the political landscape and the legislation are different. Still, it's pretty clear that the current situation of public arm-wrestling was very expected by anyone who has been paying attention to similar legislation elsewhere. It is noteworthy that the ban was already over in a few days in Australia, so the fight already looks different this time.
Also, if they do rollback the law under the condition that Meta has to negotiate deals with media companies directly, that's still a win. The goal here is to extract money from them, and it's still quite feasible that this will happen in the next few weeks, so it's not a failure yet.
The same thing didn't happen in Australia, they came to an agreement. The Canadian government dropped legislation that gave news sites free reign to request whatever they want with the government as the arbitrator. Nobody would take that deal. This was a political stunt, plain and simple.
This isn't an arm wrestle, because nobody is trying to win, but the Canadian government is sure as hell trying to make the Canadian people the losers here.
We aren’t being factual because this is just arguing about a framing. In my framing, it’s too soon to call it failure. In your framing, it already failed. I think you do have a point there, our negotiations broke down earlier. I just think it’s still salvageable.
I do think it’s pretty strange to think that the government is literally not trying to win and the goal is to fuck with people. Sounds like conspiracy theory thinking. People of power don’t generally go about fucking things up without personal gains in sight.
I never said the goal is to fuck with people, I said it's a political stunt. Go argue with your strawman elsewhere.
I really can't interpret this in any other way, but I guess it goes to show how framing is hard to argue about
It's an antithesis, a rhetorical device.
Making Canadians the losers doesn't mean the sole intention is to fuck with people. I've already said it's a political stunt.
Thanks for clarifying. More of an exaggeration than antithesis, but now I get it.