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The kind of dumbassery I've had to deal with this weekend both IRL and online. Someone kill me please.
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this post was submitted on 20 Aug 2023
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Self defense is a legal defense. That means the person claiming that they were acting in self defense is going to be doing that, at trial, in front of a jury. That means they have been charged with murder and the jury has to decide whether the defendant was acting reasonably when they killed them. What that means specifically, depends on jurisdiction.
They could also be guilty of a lesser crime than first degree murder. There are knowing, reckless, and acting under extreme duress versions of homicide in most places. All of which still carry jail time.
Having argued self defense in front of a jury, I think it should always be an option for them so long as it makes some kind of sense for the facts.
It's not self defense of immediate threat has ended. You can't take retributive action after the fact and call it self defense.
You go ahead a assert that all you want in a courtroom, see how far you get.
So if you successfully flee from danger, and then put yourself back in danger for the explicit purpose of killing someone, that's okay?
How is what they said a strawman? You said laws should be updated to allow retribution.
You are not in danger from the community at large because one person committed a crime. That’s asinine logic. You’re speaking from intense paranoia to justify hunting down someone that wronged you. Like the cop pigs that idolize the Punisher, you don’t care about justice, just assuaging your own violent tendencies with a more socially acceptable target.
You realize I explicitly said that in the moment to stop the act was justifiable as self defense right? My entire point was that outside of direct self defense, you should not track down people that wronged you to murder them.
Every scenario you’ve thrown out in this rant would not lead to a better outcome if they started gunning people down. It would just multiply the trauma.
And what projection? I’m not trying to justify violence against anyone. You’re so upset you don’t even know what you’re saying. You advocate not for fixing the problems that exist but creating new ones.
Btw you ever read the parts of the punisher where he says that his existence is not something to want or desire and that he only exists when justice is broken.
You know all these bits from the comics yet the overarching theme of them seems to zoom straight past you.
Maybe Count of Monte Christo or The Last of Us 2 are not too subtle to get past your close minded rage. That girl in Steubenville would likely face similar if not worse mob action had she murdered the person that was being protected based on how backwater the justice system sounds there.
You’re so caught up in justifying your bloodlust that you lose sight of actually dealing with the issues you want to solve.
Bottom line, you want to kill criminals, don’t be surprised when they take measures to kill you first. Or don’t be surprised when their clique tracks you down for a little bit of their own vengeance.
Focus your energy on something productive and therapeutic before you get yourself thrown in prison.
Protecting victims from rape involves dealing with the things that incentivize it before it happens. Killing people after a crime has been tried since Hammurabi. It doesn’t deter crime and we’ve had this data and analysis for quite some time now.
You’re a violent, arrogant, and fallacious person that’s wrapped their ego around this issue so tightly that you can’t even read simple statements for what’s written, constantly sliding malicious assumptions and lobbing insults. Then when faced with any pushback you accuse me of maligning you as if you have no concept of hypocrisy.
Good bye. Keep focusing on the set dressing of things like the punisher and not the actual message being conveyed. It really betrays how hollow and empty the toxic bile you’re lobbing is. If you’ve been this up your own ass for forty years then that’s a good enough sign that no one should bother interacting with you lest you snap at them.
Also in civilized countries, self defense is only valid if you've exhausted every possible opportunity to retreat.The idea of "stand your ground" laws in the US is widely to considered to contribute to a violent society rather than deter.
For example in Florida in an instance of road rage a man fired a gun at another vehicle. Since the victim has no obligation to retreat, and even had his own weapon, he simply returned fire. So there's a shootout in the middle of the street in broad daylight with innocent people around.
That stuff doesn't happen in safe societies.
Go have a read about self defense laws around the world.
America is the naive one here.