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All labor deserves a livable wage. I don't care if it's something I personally find annoying. Fuck amazon for screwing people over, even if I find those people annoying, it doesn't matter.
Not all jobs need to exist. I think everyone here is saying they're fine with "influencer" not being an option anymore.
I'd love for that to extend to professional sports, but I understand that's probably a bit too radical, even for Lemmy.
As someone who doesn't really watch professional sports at all, I'm in no position to argue.
It's labor that a company finds value in, ergo it exists whether you find it annoying or not. Just like telemarketing or insurance. What the issue is, is the simping for the company being able to pay dogshit for the service or not.
Nobody here is simping for Amazon no matter how many times you say it. We just don't have any sympathy for influencers who contribute nothing to society.
you can say "i don't like these people, but people shouldn't be taken advantage of in the labor market" if you like, that wouldn't be simping for amazon. simping for amazon is saying "lol good i hope they all get paid nothing because i find them personally annoying"
That's not simping for Amazon. Simping would involve saying something pro Amazon, no one is doing that.
You're right, no one should be taken advantage of, and if a job isn't worth paying a livable wage for, it's not a job that should exist. It seems like everyone agrees "influencer" isn't a job that should exist.
Influencers don't work for Amazon, they're free to try peddling their nonsense somewhere else. But it turns out they don't actually provide a valuable service to anyone, so no one wants to buy it.
Writers don't work for netflix, they are free to try peddling their nonsense somewhere else. But it turns out they don't actually provide a valuable service to anyone, so no one wants to buy it.
Postal workers don't work for delivery companies, they are free to try peddling their nonsense somewhere else, but it turns out they don't actually provide a valuable service to anyone, so no one wants to buy it.
Do you see how you sound now? Just admit that you don't think some people should have a livable wage because you think their job is annoying. Oh no, not for those people, I don't like them.
Yeah, they can sell their work to one of the networks, or Disney, or any of the other dozens of production companies that exist. But if no one wants to buy it, that writer may need to find another job. Or they can band together and strike like they're doing right now. Something tells me no one would notice or care if all the influencers went on strike together.
They do though. Postal workers are directly employed by USPS. And UPS and FedEx drivers work for those companies. Also, people are willing to pay to have their packages delivered to them. There was an article within like the last month about how high the starting salary was for UPS delivery drivers. Because, apparently there is demand for the service they provide.
You're going to need better examples if you want to convince anyone that influencers are worth having around.
I'm not trying to convince you that anyone is "worth having around". I'm saying you are supporting amazon in their attempts to not pay their labourers a fair amount. You only want people to be paid when you like the people and what they do.
You don't care about fair labor when you don't like the people. It's that simple.
Influencers aren't Amazon laborers. Jesus Christ man, try to get at least some of the facts right when you make these arguments. They're more like freelance contractors. If the going rate is $25/video, they need to start cranking out more videos.
If I decide I want to be a furniture maker and it takes me 6 months to make a chair, no one is obligated to pay me 6-months salary for it. On the other side of that, if someone offers to pay $x for a chair, and it's going to take me y hours to build it, I don't have to take the job if x/y is too low.
All labor is labor, j3sus chrust try to get at least some of the facts right when you make these arguments.
I'm just going to assume you think everyone who labors under contracting agreements does not deserve fair labor. Because that's literally what you are saying. Fuck those people right? All because I don't personally like what they do.
I thought we were talking about influencers here - the “give me free stuff and look at how much fun I’m having” crowd.
who are doing labor? or is it only labor if you like it