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I just found out about this and it's very disheartening. I can see trolls being a valid problem but the solution is more mods. What beehaw did is very detrimental to the health of the fediverse, especially in the most crucial month. With two of the largest instances split from each other, it'll be twice as hard to grow a critical mass of content.
I'm blocking all beehaw communities myself. I don't want to contribute to a instance where the admins are selfish.
According to lemmy explorer, if you sort both by number of users and by active users, lemmy.world and lemmy.ml are the 2 biggest servers by a good amount.
Beehaw is 3rd, other servers are behind but many of them are still pretty new.
Even if Beehaw decides to stay on their own, there's more than enough "critical mass" to keep an healthy flow of content.
They're not, there's no block between lemmy.world and lemmy.ml.
A lot of recent lemmy.world users I've seen have claimed that they came from beehaw after being upset by the defederation and how they are running it.
Ah. Well a third of content is still blocked then.
Not necessarily, there are a couple of communities that were really big, but alternatives are already growing elsewhere to possibly replace them.
I think it will end with just little stuff being blocked, not important IMO.
yes, but it basically brings the fediverse as a whole a few steps backwards, during a time when having accessible content is the most crucial to the success of the fediverse.
I don't blame them though. They are running a really specific community with it's own culture and it ended up getting disrupted and diluted by the influx of new users.
In a month everything will calm down and I hope they refederate again.
I blame them for not trying anything else.
This is like... Getting a flu and deciding to chop off their nose.
“We tried nothing, and we’re out of ideas.”
Personally, I like Beehaw. They’ve got a good thing going, so I hope they get moderation squared away and re-federate. But they de-federated at a critical time, and I think they’ll do themselves more harm than they’ll do the fediverse.
I suspect we’re going to see a lot of churn in the ‘verse in the coming days weeks and months. New instances will arise and disappear frequently. Eventually things will stabilize with most users on a few enduring servers, with new ones popping up less frequently than they do now.
Beehaw may be an early casualty of the churn. If so, they’ll provide an object lesson in how not to manage such transitions.
Tbh they recognize that it's a major response, but they genuinely can't try much else given the tools at their disposal.
Part of the fediverse is that each community operates according to their own rules, and while they can talk to other admins, they can't force them into anything like reviewing registrations or the like.
they could have gotten more mods. That's the temporary solution until better mod tools come along.
That's maybe true. I say maybe, only because for instance-wide moderation (as I think they'd like), I don't know if Lemmy has a position between Admin & Mod with that kind of capability.
For Beehaw, where they're limiting community creation, I think they're only able to do that by restricting it to the Admins, meaning adding more mods would also mean more admins in their case. If admin abilities in Lemmy are like in any other software I'm aware of, you wouldn't really want to just dole that out to anyone, so I can see why it's not so simple a matter for them with the kind of carefully moderated community their aiming for given the current tools.
that's true, but for a community as restricted as beehaw wehre users can't create new communities, even if there's no such position as "instance-wide mod", the admins can just add more mods to each community.
You're right, I made myself wonder after writing that. Checked over there & found that they have done just that in some (maybe all?) of their communities.