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For some women in China, "Barbie" is more than just a movie — it's also a litmus test for their partner's views on feminism and patriarchy.

The movie has prompted intense social media discussion online, media outlets Sixth Tone and the China Project reported this week, prompting women to discuss their own dating experiences.

One user on the Chinese social media platform Xiaohongshu — a photo-sharing site similar to Instagram that's mostly used by Gen Z women — even shared a guide on Monday for how women can test their boyfriends based on their reaction to the film.

According to the guide, if a man shows hatred for "Barbie" and slams female directors after they leave the theatre, then this man is "stingy" and a "toxic chauvinist," according to Insider's translation of the post. Conversely, if a man understands even half of the movie's themes, "then he is likely a normal guy with normal values and stable emotions," the user wrote.

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[–] doggle 370 points 1 year ago (90 children)

Women in the US are doing that too.

I guess it works, to a point. If your man throws a Shapiro-esque fit over this movie he probably isn't great to be around the rest of the time.

[–] rosenjcb 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

His critique of it is basically that it's too "woke" but he really has nothing to say about the essential elements of any movie (plot, tone, character development, etc). He's either unable or unwilling to separate politics from his review. It's like he doesn't know a movie can be well made even if you disagree with its themes.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you ever have (unfortunately) heard of his absolutely dogshit book, then his inability to understand deeper meanings, subtext, themes, and to grapple with a competent plot should not surprise you in the least. Robert Evans, Cody Johnston, and Katy Stoll read it through on Behind The Bastards in a few episodes. Imagine the novelization of a Steven Seagal movie adaption of a Jack Ryan plotline. Combine that with how ol Benny really wanted, and failed, to be a screenplay writer, and it makes sense his absolute hatred for modern Hollywood movies that don't say all the things he likes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One pump, one cream my friend. I loved those episodes and so many more.

[–] Kerwala 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Take a bullet for ya

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting. Have you listened to the behind the bastards take on Scott Adams? That's pretty funny too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Lol yeah it's always the smaller bastards with the funniest episodes

[–] roboticide 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, I think it's fine to critique a movie on themes as well. It's a key aspect that makes up a film, like effects, writing, casting, or acting. I don't think critiquing it as "woke" is invalid - it tells his audience a key facet of what they want to know about a movie. If a movie was coming out and someone reviewed it saying the themes were pro-fascist, I'd also want to know that and not attend based off of theme.

I just like that a movie which, in no uncertain terms, advocated for strong, independent men is too "woke" for Ben Shapiro. But I guess if you determine your worth as a man by how much control you have over women, that tracks.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fascism is an actual defined term. Woke isn't, it just means whatever the user wants it to mean, which is usually something like not wanting some minority group to exist.

[–] roboticide 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Woke is a defined term.

The fact that it's mis-defined or used as a pejorative does not invalidate its definition nor mean it can't be used as a descriptor of a film. It's literally an adjective.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True but dictionaries (at least for English) are descriptivist, so they can only describe how a word is used. The definitions, especially the second one, are so broad due to how much the word is misused.

But your right that I probably shouldn't have said it has no definition.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

"aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"

Seems like a seller definition to me. I think it's nice a dictionaries often provide samples for how the word should be used, but they always have the actual definition of it above that section.

[–] NielsBohron 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think "woke" actually does have a definition, put forth by DeSantis's lawyers, IIRC. I don't want to go find it right now, but it was something along the lines of "aware of and acknowledging the existence of systematic racism in the United States."

But more broadly, these days it just means "progressive" without defining any specific arena, so personally, I think woke is a valid way to describe a movie. In fact, if a movie doesn't have at least some "woke" themes, I'm not too interested in seeing it these days.

[–] archiotterpup 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Woke" comes from AAVE meaning to be aware of racial prejudice. As in, "you woke up from a dream". It has a definition, it's just that most white people won't take the time to learn it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The non-AAVE version doesn't really have a different meaning it's just not black-centric: Every action or speech done (deliberately/emphatically) cognisant of systemic injustice is woke. At least that's how you see it used in wider left circles, and while the right might not understand it they of course see that it's evil because systemic injustice is what they're all about, be it when it comes to economic or social or intergalactic issues. They cannot accept the concept because it would require them to look at the consequences of their actions; exposure to it triggers their phobia.

[–] Diprount_Tomato 0 points 1 year ago

Sure sure, that's why fascism is a buzzword as big as woke

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

"Woke" means whatever anyone wants it to mean at any time.

Or is the theme of the movie about awareness of systemic racism in the US justice system? Haven't seen it myself

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure he decided what he was going to say before he even saw the movie. He can't admit to liking any part of it becausee of his politics.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I seen a video of another person dismantling his arguments and plot and character development is something he touches on.

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