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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sorry but that's just wrong. Enough people simply don't even consider Linux because their needed software doesn't work + there's no equivalent alternative. And my PC/OS is not a hobby or a Ideology. It's a tool that I use to work with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is it really wrong? Do you have numbers? I think the most people claim above is at least plausible. It surely fits my personal experience, but that is of course not worth much.

I would argue that most people use their PC for web browsing, light photo editing and personal office stuff and maybe gaming (at least outside work) and those people are not affected by "the software I need does not work and there is no alternative".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your first point is web browsing. Even that doesn‘t work properly on a linux desktop lol. Browser performance is abysmal because the browsers lack out of the box support for hardware acceleration. Even if you get it to work it might not work reliably and an update might break it again.

Try using a discord call and open a youtube video in 4k at the same time on a a freshly installed linux desktop. The audio will be choppy and the video will drop frames like crazy. Just moving around windows on your desktop is not nearly as smooth as it is on windows.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You seem to be very misinformed. Browsers do not lack hardware acceleration. Some distributions do not include the necessary packets in their default configuration. Some. And when you get it to work, like in Arch Linux, where almost nothing is installed by default, it works flawlessly for years, never had an update breaking browser hardware acceleration.

I can run 12 4k youtube videos at the same time and route the audio to different channels of my different audio devices AND accept several calls from different webapps and the only thing that is not smooth is your way of discussing things LOL

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I‘ve had this issue on several distros and multiple friends have the same issue. Video hardware acceleration in a browser is a mess. This is definitely not only affecting me as there is a significant amount of complaints on forums and reddit.

And there is no way that the average computer user will use arch. And as long as you gotta fiddle around with your system to get even the most basic shit running smoothly like watching a high resolution youtube video and moving around windows on your other screen at the same time linux will stay irrelevant as a desktop os. It‘s still a system for nerds and I kinda feel like that this is okay.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You named multiple things with major compromises.

Gaming is fine if you use Steam and the compatibility layer or jump through hoops, and don't play basically anything online.

The photo editing tools on Linux are dogshit.

Web browsing is fine, but not if you want to stream any content, because no one will serve you anything even medium quality without DRM.

Office stuff can kind of be replaced, but mostly by using the browser versions of the shit people actually use, because the tools to collaborate with others (particularly non-techy people) don't exist for open source alternatives.

The software available is absolutely a massive limitation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaming is fine unless the game has kernel level anti cheat. Minor compromise.

Photo editing tools are good enough for the needs of normal people. Gimp and Darktable are not dogshit, no compromise.

DRM under Firefox works. Never had a problem with it plus most people don't even watch on computers. No compromise.

Non techy people mostly not do collaborative projects. Plus registering for any cloud with office and collaboration is easy. Minor compromise.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Basically the entire multiplayer space is locked out. It's a massive compromise. And every platform that isn't Steam requires significant manual configuration and still has issues.

No, they're not good. And they're not suitable for any normal person because the UX is a dumpster fire.

Nobody with normal tv/movie content gives you comparable quality on Linux.

Yes, normal people do need to collaborate. And no, none of the office options on Linux are capable of functional collaboration for normal people, except Google/microsoft through browser nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Basically the entire multiplayer space is locked out.

Not all multiplayer games use this anti cheat techniques (and those might just be working in the near future anyway). CS:Go works perfectly, Rocket League does, Dota 2 does, LoL did at least (I don't know what they're up to these days), 7 days to die does, paradox grand strategy does, Mordhau does, Path of Exile does, and those are only sone of the games I personally can confirm.

And they're not suitable for any normal person because the UX is a dumpster fire.

People who use Photoshop professionally mostly agree, that GIMP is a great app that has just a few drawbacks compared zo photoshop. The UI was a dumpster fire, but they sorted that out. Photo Editing is on par with photoshop, at least with other free plugins. If your UX sucks, maybe it's an error on osi layer 8.

Nobody with normal tv/movie content gives you comparable quality on Linux.

I'm still running 1080p on everything and Netflix delivers 1080p to all my linux boxes. Is there a problem with 4k?

Yes, normal people do need to collaborate. And no, none of the office options on Linux are capable of functional collaboration for normal people, except Google/microsoft through browser nonsense.

Which tools on windows allow easy collaborative office projects other than microsoft or google? Well, other than cryptpad, OnlyOffice, koofr, almost every nextcloud provider, etherpad...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think it's more that there's a perception of things not being compatible with Linux nowadays. A lot of the games that didn't work 5 years ago now do, and I'm still seeing people complain that games like Halo Infinite don't work on there when they actually do.

The only things I can think of that aren't compatible and required for some tasks are Photoshop and professional CAD/CAE software. For >90% of the population Linux should be able to handle everything they need

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

90% of the population don't use a PC anymore. Smartphones and Tablets have replaced PCs for the most basic tasks.