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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It seems a lot of this argument comes from an idea that trains need tracks but cars can go anywhere. This is patently untrue.

Are roads cheaper than tracks? I don't think so, but I would love to hear what evidence others have.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I mean, trains -do- need tracks. When they don't, they become cars/buses, for all intents and purposes.

As to prices, from a quick search, tracks are more expensive per mile, but I didn't see anything talking about maintenance cost. Hopefully these sources are reliable:

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone who works in rail infrastructure management, answer is yes, roads are cheaper than railway network. Hell yes actually, by a factor of at least 10 for electrified railway. A poorly maintained road is uncomfortable and you might damage your car, a poorly maintained railway means derailment and fatalities.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

What if there were more than one type of railroad?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think that's the right metric, tbh. Even if you swapped out every paved road with a train track, they would not have anywhere near the same utility as trains. Trains have much higher capacity and efficiency but much lower granularity than cars, they fit into a different part of the problem domain of logistics. And while yes, using cars as a one size fits all solution sucks, the same is true for trains -- hell, at least while inefficient AF, cars do actually function in this environment, while trains are flat out incapable of addressing our modern day logistical needs.

Also, fairly sure dirt roads are hella cheap.

My point isn't that we shouldn't reduce cars, it's that reduce and eliminate are different things. And as long as cars exist, it's hella stupid to object any improvement in them. (The self-driving thing is in fact stupid though, but that's because it's proven to be a ridiculously hard problem that we do not yet have adequate solutions for, not because it's not something that would be helpful if we managed to crack it.)