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The ESRB has added:

“To be perfectly clear: Any images and data used for this process are never stored, used for AI training, used for marketing, or shared with anyone; the only piece of information that is communicated to the company requesting VPC is a “Yes” or “No” determination as to whether the person is over the age of 25.”

Sure, ok...

I don't know what else to say about this, this will obviously turn into something else.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because this strategy worked so well for determining individuals' assigned sex at birth. What could possibly go wrong?

[–] dojan 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It already has gone wrong.

There’s a story about a gay couple here in Sweden. One of the men lived with his mother.

One morning, around 3-4AM I think, a group of masked men went into his apartment and woke him up violently. They physically abused him, before they took him away.

Eventually he was taken to an interrogation room where he was questioned about a child he had supposedly sexually assaulted.

At some point they showed him pictures of him and this purported child, only said child was his very much adult, twink-ass boyfriend.

He and his boyfriend had shared the images with one another over a chat service, like Kik or something, which some American organisation had gotten their hands on, and then forwarded to Swedish police.

Swedish police then swatted him, and when they stood there with egg on their face the investigation was dropped. No repercussions for the police. None of the people who brutally assaulted the man got any sort of punishment, because he wasn’t able to identify any of them, since they were masked and he shockingly didn’t have X-ray vision, and the police had magically lost all records of who they sent out to bring him in.

Thinking back on this still fills me with rage. I’ve always thought our police were fairly chill and approachable, nothing like the gun toting cowards in the US, but no. It seems like ACAB holds true everywhere.

Here’s a source. It’s in Swedish though so you might need to use Google Translate.


Edit: I got some stuff wrong. I re-read the article and got really angry, so despite it being 3AM, I got out of bed and moved to my computer so I can correct the information and translate parts I find important.

The man, Babak Karimi, lived with his mother, a nurse, and his partner whom he met in Malaysia ten years prior. His partner is thirty years old. The police enter the apartment, wake his mother, pointing flashlights and weapons at her, they pull his partner out into the livingroom, sans clothes, interrogate him but do not answer any questions in turn.

They scream at Babak, demanding to know where his laptop is, looking to confiscate all electronics. They get up on his bed and hit him, then they pull him out of bed, down on the floor, and taze him. At this point in time, he believes that they're being robbed, and that he is about to die.

After locating electronics and obtaining passwords, they cuff him and take him away.

At 7:54 they let him know what he's suspected of: sexual assault of child, sexual exploitation of child, and creation and spreading of child pornography. They tell him his rights, food and healthcare, etc. He requests to meet a nurse because of his head due to the previous assault, but none is provided.

At 13:21 they begin interrogating him. They ask him about mail addresses, phone numbers, a street address, whether he's lived there, etc. He agrees with everything except the charges, because the events they are charging him for haven't happened.

As I previously stated were 21 files uploaded via Yahoo mail and we suspect that you've uploaded them. Three of these are considered explicit, and we suspect that they are produced by you. What are your thoughts?

- That's even stranger. What do you mean? - It's not true, not something I've done.

Jenny Rosdahl clarifies further. She says two of the images are of a young boy showing his bottom and being touched by the hand of an adult.

This is about 48 images that are considered abusive, 98 images that are considered explicitly abusive, and 3 films that are considered explicitly abusive. What do you think about this?

- Strange.

He suggests that perhaps the images are of his partner, but the interrogator states that they're not. Eventually, Babak and his lawyer are allowed to view the images, which obviously are of his 30 year old partner.

According to the preliminary investigation material, which Kontext has gained access to, the suspicions against Karimi are based on image files that have come to the attention of the police through the organization National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). NCMEC is funded by the U.S. Department of Justice and assists authorities and individuals in cases involving, for example, child abuse. NCMEC monitors the Yahoo email service using algorithms that analyze photographs with nudity. The images of Dennis have been categorized as child pornography by NCMEC. On March 6th, the Swedish police's own investigator in the South region examines the photographs and reaches the same conclusion.

Less than a week later, a search is conducted at Babak Karimi's residence.

The police examines Dennis. They want to confirm that he has the same birthmark present on the man on the images which during the preliminary investigation has been described as prepubescent.


So basically. Because a U.S. government entity is using an AI model to spy on private emails, a gay man in Sweden was physically abused by Swedish police, not to speak of the "inspection" his partner had to go through, and the trauma the entire family must've suffered from it.

In the end there was no justice for them. No repercussions for the police. The mother moved to Canada. The partner moved to Malaysia. When the article was written, Babak himself was in the process of closing up all unfinished ends here and moving as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, assigning age at birth worked well so far…

[–] dojan 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on where you’re from. Koreans count you as one year old when you’re born.

[–] dot20 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aren't they dropping that system soon?

[–] dojan 1 points 1 year ago

I think I've heard something about that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

The craziest coincidence, everyone I've asked was assigned the same age at birth. Small world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Saw an app try exactly this. It was run by terfs and they wanted to lock out anyone who wasn't a cis woman. Instead it labelled almost every black woman a man and many trans women got through the filter anyway.