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[–] jungekatz 79 points 1 year ago (6 children)

One more time if anyone says that capitalism breeds innovation we need to show them this ¡!

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

restricted capitalism does that. regular capitalism makes monopoly.

[–] MisterFrog 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does it though? Universities seem to be doing the heavily lifting innovation-wise.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well yes, but universities certainly do not stop Nestlé from selling their own products so cheap that local businesses (which refused to get bought up by Nestlé) go bankrupt because they can not sell their only product with a loss.

[–] MisterFrog 1 points 1 year ago

I was responding to the first half "restricted capitalism does that"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's your point? Monopoly does not imply innovation.

[–] MisterFrog 1 points 1 year ago

My point is that captialism doesn't have as big a role in innovation as many would claim.

Captialism also leads to monopoly when unchecked. I was responding to the first half.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This ain't capitalism, this is going back to a rent based economy.

Aka: Techno Feudalism

Let me just point you to this:

https://doctorow.medium.com/autoenshittification-cb851c2574fb

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

This is innovation though, an internet wide DRM would be quite an impressive technical feat. It's just not innovation built to benefit you and me, it's built to benefit Google's true customers, advertisers

[–] WolfhoundRO 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah... They find innovative ways to milk us of our money and attention and annoy the heck out of everyone

[–] Something_Complex 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Oh almost like if in capitalism they didn't say that oligarchys are a problem. What we needed is to send these giants down.

That would prove difficult considering money rules, you can make people do you bidding, make them disappear and suffer little to no consequences.

So what we needed is a decent anti-monopoly, anti-oligarchy force.

Just like when the us gov dismantled AT&T into thousands of smaller different services and that created things like mobile routhers and etc.

Soo the companies like Google (for example), at this point are putting down more inovation than they are bringing into the table.

Problem is not capitalism, it's all that power centered in the same place. Almost like a dictatorship.

[–] jungekatz 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well that was when anti trust laws actually worked ! Alphabet , meta etc are literally sucking americans poor. Still we dont see anything !

[–] Something_Complex 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tbh as a Climat activist who grew up surrounded by deniers ...yhe... the feeling of hopeless is strong. But hey I have been seeing slow and gradual change, when things are getting bad.

At least in your scenario (at the moment) when they go down we might be able to reverse the worse consequences. Unlike climate where we probably just fucked.

[–] jungekatz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Our planet has had good and bad climates , but humans have fucked it intentionally and there seems to be nor reluctance or remorse in the rich to fuck it even more , it will probably end in jeopardising human life , mostly the poor will suffer and die , but i am quite sure that planet will find ways to recover ! Once the humans are gone !

[–] Something_Complex 3 points 1 year ago

Oh for fuck sake, yes when I say planet I mean the delicate ecosystem that supports all life. See even better I still get downvoated by shit heads

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem isn't capitalism, it's just the system that allows power to be centralized through market forces and used to bribe regulatory bodies. Oh wait...

[–] Something_Complex 1 points 1 year ago

https://lemm.ee/post/2125276

Shit man I would love to hear how you would stop power concentration in communism or any other form of government.....

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I mean, it's all innovation in some way... Just all anti-consumer.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you want government to do this?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Anarchy please