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Is lemmy just going to become reddit 2.0? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The more I use lemmy, the more it begins to just feel like all the same problems reddit had. It has the same problems with major communities having far left moderation standards that only apply to the right, the same hive mind users that just spam the same tired out leftist talking points over and over while refusing anything close to an actual discussion.

The only upsides are that downvotes aren't used to punish you site wide, and the handful of non-leftist instances that exist, though they always end up defederated by all the major instances, effectively making them poor spaces for general discussion.

So what are your thoughts? Is this just the "more like under new management" from megamind? Is there hope for it to become a decent platform for everyone, not just the left?

Edit: yeah, it's just as bad. Fuck the retarded admins and fuck the left

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[–] Holyginz 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And this is why you are downvoted and ridiculed. You have zero self awareness or critical understanding. Your insults or attempts to ridicule mean literally nothing because people need to believe you have something worthwhile to say. And so far, all you are doing is projecting and spewing made up talking points. Make no mistake, I couldn't give two shits what you end up doing or if you stay on the fediverse at all. I would love conservatives that actually had self awareness and could debate real conservative talking points, not trumpican vitriol. So far you are just another angry trumpican spewing out unverified talking points. And at no point does that kind of hate deserve a safe space, ever. Later

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder what this person thinks a "leftist" is?

[–] Holyginz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt as much as possible. But I dont believe they really think all that much on their own based on their responses.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt as much as possible

In what fucking universe pal. Because most people don't consider brazenly dishonest character attacks to fall under "benefit of the doubt"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're not exactly the paragon of impartial argument in this thread my man. Anyone willing to read your post for anything besides laughing at your expense after your tirades here is doing you a solid.

You've got no evidence, no perspective, really nothing but yelling at the internet because youve got a minority position and don't like it.

If you've got those things, trot them out, bro.

Edit: you have some sanely and thoughtfully written comments further down (that I would still disagree with), but the bad ones sure floated to the top.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re not exactly the paragon of impartial argument in this thread my man

If you could be bothered to actually read anything i wrote, I never said that every random user has to be impartial. If everyone was always impartial, there'd be nothing to discuss.

You’ve got no evidence, no perspective, really nothing but yelling at the internet because youve got a minority position and don’t like it.

Glad to know you're just another worthless troll who has nothing but brazen misrepresentations of what I said. Sure are a lot of you here. Tell me, why do you bother coming to a community titled "conservative" if you're neither conservative yourself, nor interested in actual discussion?

but the bad ones sure floated to the top.

Almost like you guys upvoted every jerkoff who came in here to just spam retarded garbage instead of making genuine discussion. Why should I bother investing effort in putting together genuine responses to people unwilling to do the same?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, what do you want? This post isn't exactly an opener to some great venture in dialectics as you crafted it. It looks like whining instead of discourse, people are saying that to you (albeit coarsely) and you're biting your thumb at them. I guess I wouldn't do anything too different if the shoe were on the other foot... but still, this isn't about some random user or me, it's about you mostly. You had a pretty fair amount of actual discussion with @Shit but otherwise real substance is pretty sparse.

But anyway sure let's go. I'm new to the fediverse and my very first post was in this group. On reddit, all I saw was back breaking efforts to make conservatives feel safe: every conservative sub I dropped into was one comment insta-ban for out-group opinions, almost as bad as r/sino. T_D lived a full and festering life despite breaking sitewide rules about brigading and bringing national notoriety to the platform. r/conservative was quick to set up safe spaces for approved and flaired users only to comment. Even r/askconservatives was quick to deliver a kick in the nuts if you get to pointed. The only thing I saw, even in r/politics which I think is about as lefty as it gets, was gratuitous downvoting. To the point, I think there just aren't as many people on the internet that hold hardline conservative beliefs. There may be some discussion to be had by people like me who don't mind playing the devil's advocate, but by and large I think when you are online you're in the minority. In strangely fitting way, that's the position a conservative viewpoint puts minority positions into in the real world and it just doesn't seem very fun when nobody wants to tolerate you beyond acknowledging that you exist. Maybe your experience is different than mine: that would be the evidence and perspective that makes this a discussion worth having. I still kinda wish this was all about a topic that wasn't a meta topic.

For not wanting to work at social media, you are definitely exhibiting some true grit in responding to basically every comment, lol.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It looks like whining instead of discourse, people are saying that to you (albeit coarsely) and you’re biting your thumb at them.

You had a pretty fair amount of actual discussion with @Shit but otherwise real substance is pretty sparse

And why shouldn't I? If they have no interest in contributing anything remotely of value to converse over, why should I respect their pointless trolling. If they consider holding a dissenting opinion and opening it for discussion to be "whining", they aren't going to bother with reality anyway.

every conservative sub I dropped into was one comment insta-ban for out-group opinions

And this community here is a perfect example of why. Because it's fucking impossible to have a discussion when 90% of participants are belligerent leftist trolls.

T_D lived a full and festering life despite breaking sitewide rules about brigading and bringing national notoriety to the platform

If you're just going to throw your unyielding faith in everything spez says, why did you even come here? Brigading is literally just the primary rule reddit admins wage around to ban dissenters. There was no actual evidence of organized brigading from t_d. It was just a easy excuse to ban a dissenting community. Meanwhile dedicated brigading subs that lean left like ahs and srd? Not even the slightest hint of punishment.

The only thing I saw, even in r/politics which I think is about as lefty as it gets, was gratuitous downvoting

And frequent bans for anything remotely dissenting. I caught plenty of them. Meanwhile, they spam rule breaking content like calling everyone racist and fascist, despite rules against personal attacks.

but by and large I think when you are online you’re in the minority

I'm perfectly fine with not being the majority opinion. As I said, one of the things lemmy does right that reddit didn't is making downvotes meaningless. I don't have to worry about getting rare limited, shadow banned, and karma filters from half the site just because I voice unpopular opinions.

that’s the position a conservative viewpoint puts minority positions into in the real world and it just doesn’t seem very fun when nobody wants to tolerate you beyond acknowledging that you exist

Such as?

I still kinda wish this was all about a topic that wasn’t a meta topic.

You're free to go participate on the gun control post I made here as well. Unfortunately it seems most people would just rather downvote and ignore actual discussion here.

For not wanting to work at social media, you are definitely exhibiting some true grit in responding to basically every comment, lol

Firing off a quip and making them look like fools to any observer worth a damn is hardly work

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And what are you defining a leftist to be?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I personally don't use the term; from where I sit, I see two kinds of people: Those who want to see America lead the world into the 21st century, and those who will burn the world down if they're not allowed to drag it back to the 18th century.

Which are you?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The former, though I suspect that you and I have very different perspectives on what we should be leading the world with