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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (13 children)

If I am reading this right, this sentencing is not even for the abortion. It is for hiding the body.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (10 children)

For her, yes. The mother is being charged with providing an illegal abortion.

Not sure what the rules are for disposing of a late term abortion or what they should be.

[–] ZooGuru 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I think it’s an illegal abortion because she is not licensed to provide abortions. At least that’s what I recall reading on this elsewhere. I could be mistaken as it would still have been illegal by state law of 20 weeks at the time. I do believe what this mother did is reckless. She provided a medical procedure that she isn’t qualified to oversee. All that being said, I’m pro choice, but I don’t know that this case really represents what people are saying it does.

[–] anage_oldprob 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This argument is circular since abortions after 20 weeks are prohibited. All of the qualified medicinal professionals are not allowed to provide late term abortions thus no qualified person could provide the medical care she needed. The fault is not with the mother for doing something unsafe but the state that requires that only unsafe conditions exist for the procedure.

[–] ZooGuru 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was talking about what the mother is specifically being charged with. I did a little extra looking and that charge (abortion by someone other than a licensed physician) was dismissed as she is pleading guilty to illegally providing an abortion after 20 weeks, false reporting, and tampering with human remains. I agree that restrictions on abortion have the potential to lead to unsafe abortions. I also think it’s true that someone unqualified should not attempt it. Both can be true I think.

[–] anage_oldprob 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s what I’m talking about as well. A rise in back alley abortions and thus abortions done by unqualified practitioners are a direct consequence of abortion bans. No one would need to hide “human” remains if a legal abortion was available. No one would be forced to find a provider who is available rather than qualified if the abortion was legal. One should not be judged for taking irresponsible measures if that is all that is available.

Here is a source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709326/

[–] ZooGuru 1 points 1 year ago

Idk that I can get with that last statement as a blanket for all cases, but I understand your point. Abortion should be legal and we as a society can still agree that someone unqualified shouldn’t be offering/providing them. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Laws that prevent non-medical doctors from performing medical procedures would cover this, so making it specific to abortion isn’t necessary. I read an interesting write up on Jezebel about how these kinds of cases are really probing to see what the public will accept and that makes a lot of sense.

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