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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well, my experience abroad really doesn't cover the time since the events in October (as I was back living in Portugal before that) and here in Portugal I have yet to observe or hear about any attacks on Jews or Jewish symbols even since then. Portugal doesn't treat "criticism of Israel" as anti-semitism - so the numbers are not artificially inflated by counting people demonstrating against the Genocide in Palestine as anti-semites - and as I pointed out in an earlier post the country is actually practicing racial discrimination in favour of Jews, though not quite to the level of the UK or Germany (which even have "Friends of Israel" groups in their Parliaments)

Unfortunately, several countries adopted the IHRA definition of anti-semitism which considers criticism of the State of Israel and its actions to be anti-semitism (leading to ridiculous instances such as that Jewish Holocaust Survivor being considered an anti-semite in the UK for the way he criticized the actions of Israel in Palestine) which muddied the waters considerably helping hid the real anti-semitism, and indirectly spreading a perception that there is a lot more anti-semitism than there is in reality, because when those artificially inflated numbers are reported in the media there is no separation between "criticism of Israel" and actual anti-semitic actions so it all sounds much worse than it is, in turn shifting the perceptions (both amongst Jews and gentiles) of the level of anti-semitism in a country, which is the while point of the IHRA definition and adopting it - it's a long standing propaganda technique of Zionism and the State of Israel to spread the notion that Jewish people are only safe in Israel (and the phrase you original used is literally out of it) and the IHRA definition was created and its use in various countries was pushed by their lobbying to boost that story.

That survey you linked is extremely interesting but for reasons you might not be aware of: It was taken right in the middle of a broad political coup in Britain to oust the first left-of-center politician elected as leader of a mainstream political party in Britain since the 80s - Jeremy Corbyn, who was elected Labour Party leader by a majority of its members - and the core of that campaign, which involved the Press, politicians of the opposing party, politicians of the neoliberal faction within his party, and Israel-linked Jewish groups in Britain (since Corbyn had always been against the Occupation Of Palestine) was to spread the idea that he himself and the Labour party under his leadership were deeply anti-semitic.

That's actually how a Jewish Holocaust Survivor ended up accused of making anti-semitic statements - as part of spreading the idea that Corbyn was anti-semitic, to taint him by association it was widely reported was that he had sat on a panel in a conference with a person who made anti-semitic statements when he compared the actions of Israel to those of the Nazis, never mentioning that said person was an actual Jewish Holocaust Survivor but eventually that small detail they forgot to mention in the Press did come out.

That UK survey you linked was both influenced by and later used as a tool in that campaign (I vaguely remember it being mentioned by politicians within Corbyn's party trying to oust him), so not only had some people in Britain for political purposes an incentive to lie about their feelings of safety in Britain as Jews on that survey, but others who responded to it were influenced by the massive, sudden and out of nowhere panic about anti-semitism in Britain that the Press and most of the Political Class created as part of a political coup.

(As I said, I lived there for over a decade, and information from the UK is generally highly manipulated invariably by indirect means, and I don't mean just this - don't get me started on how the ruling class there manipulate Economic and Crime figures)

I have no doubt that many Jewish people perceive themselves as threatened by anti-semitism, especially in countries which artificially inflated the anti-semitism numbers by counting "criticism of Israel" as anti-semitism, but objectively the idea that Jews are not safe anywhere outside Israel because of anti-semitism is wholly out of proportion to reality, especially when their treatment in most of the West is compared to how just about every other minority gets treated over there (whilst not making wild panicky statements that they cannot live there) - I guess that, as you say, "it is difficult to acknowledge that people with other backgrounds are subject to hate" hence many Jews in countries were they are not discriminated against will have difficulty acknowledging what's happening to those of other minorities and thus seeing their own situation in the broader context, leading to them spreading alarmist takes about their situation entirely out proportion to reality, which serves the goals of Zionist propaganda.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You know i really hope you are right. Maybe my mind has been infiltrated by the zionist agenda and propaganda media of which they supposedly own worldwide. But saying that they are causing their own fear seems a bit like a stretch. It's touching the "It didnt happend, and if it did, its not that bad" to "its your own fault". Jews in other countries are not part of the "zionist agenda" and claiming they are self alarming is really twisting words. There is a long and wide spread history in europe of antisemitism and even if you don't see it maybe you'll acknowledge that all minorities are subject to hate where jews are in a fragile position as they are few - along with israeli government doing what it does. The Porto synagogue was vandalized right after the october event along with the Jewish Cultural Center among other events. Maybe that is also manifactured by die judischen zeitungen. It's a bit of a Catch-22, where you don't think that Jews are in any danger whatsoever but when reading about it, statistics and newspapers are lying so even if they would be persecuted you would never know.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

That's a curious take when I've repeatedly reiterated that there is anti-semitism and even pointed some of those who tends to to do it.

What I'm disputing is the level of alarmism about it.

Jews in Europe are victims of prejudice, at times even racial hate from people not in positions of authority (almost always in the form of anti-semitic insults, but also as you point out crimes against Jewish Community property). They are however in not in significant more danger for their lives than the locals, are almost never targets of violence and are treated fairly and taken seriously by the local authorities.

(That said, I do vaguely remember in the last couple of years an instance of actual violent attack on Jews in Europe, so Jewish People are in higher danger than the locals, not with high probability but none the less at higher levels)

There absolutely still is a problem, just nowhere at the levels that we have once seen and far less than for other minorities, mainly because nowadays it's only the powerless that might target Jews, not the powerful.

For Historical reasons there seems to definitely and understandably be a higher sensitivity amongst the Jewish Community to displays of prejudice, which partly explains the higher state of alarm when faced with prejudice of any kind (which also translates into more prompt reporting of those instances to the authorities, perversely enhancing the alarmism because what's reported is what gets reflected in the official figures) compared to how other minorities feel and react even when faced with a lot more prejudice (and those will report less, especially since the authorities themselves discriminate against them, hence the official figures for them is lower than reality), and given that Jews, just like everybody else, "find it difficult to acknowledge that people with other backgrounds are subject to hate", many will have a perception of victimhood wholly decontextualized from the broader phenomenon of prejudice and racial hate in the countries they live in.

All of this is of curse actively cultivated by a country ruled by an ethno-Fascist regime which claims to represent that specific ethnicity, since it's pretty standard in the Fascist playbook to claim both strength and being a victim, and specifically ethno-Fascist regimes enhance their claims of representing a ethnicity if the people of that ethnicity gather around that regime.

All this said, I can understand that the rise of the Far-Right in Europe is scary for Jews here, because the Far-Right in Europe have historically tended to be rabid anti-semites. So far the Far-Right being anti-semitic only seems to be the case in some countries (they're mostly against immigrants), but that fear amongst the Jewish Community is none the less justified.