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it's like you believe you can tariff them expecting they won't do the same. Why do you believe the rest of the world is not going to retaliate and why do you believe America can prosper without the rest of the world?

What's the point of having a military alliance with countries you puts tariffs on? That's unfriendly to say the least.

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[–] surph_ninja 0 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I agree with your position, but I’m struggling to reconcile that with the western push for war with global superpowers.

The pandemic temporarily crippled our economy with an interruption in shipping from China. How the hell are we planning to survive a hot war with China over Taiwan? They could defeat us without firing a single shot, by just refusing to ship here.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

China also doesn't want to interrupt trade, it benefits them just as much as America, that's how. They won't invade Taiwan if there's a threat of war disrupting trade.

If you isolate the country from China too much then there is no benefit to China not invading. Globalization encourages peace because trade benefits all. Russia is suffering from all their sanctions now, they made a mistake thinking things would be over in a few days and people would get over it. Now they need to grit their teeth and pull through it. No one else wants to be Russia.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Why wouldn't China do exactly the same mistake in some point?

As European I would advice against the trust that the strong economic ties would keep totalitarians in check.

[–] surph_ninja 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

But China is much better positioned to outlast us during any interruption in trade for the same reason Russia has survived sanctions. They have the local production capacity and access to vast mineral & resource wealth that we can’t match.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Do they? As much as we like to play it quiet, the US exports a lot of food globally- China gets some $17b worth. Those tend to be perishable, so any hot war would have to be over quickly for China to come outahead, and any protracted war would see them need a new breadbasket eother domestic (reducing the industrial/military work pool), or international (which comes with the same risks they have now over US ties).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

China isn't reliant on imported food, from the US or anywhere.

[–] surph_ninja 2 points 5 hours ago

Right, but China is making broad new alliances every day across the globe, and we’ve spent the last century making enemies. So who’s better positioned to find alternative trade partners?

“Every time China visits, we get a hospital. Every Britain visits, we get a lecture.” And every time the US visits, we’re bringing barely concealed threats.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Plus there's no one saying you can't reduce reliance on specific countries like China. It is indeed dangerous to rely on any one country for too much. But if you spread it out to many countries and make sure to have some domestic supply for the most important things it would be fine.

At the moment Trump is targeting all countries, and many for no reason at all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

It is indeed dangerous to rely on any one country for too much

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