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Yeah this line of reasoning doesn't really gel with actual reality considering Trump is now talking about repealing the chip Act. He's not actually trying to bring back Manufacturing. Trump has never cared about that. He doesn't give a shit about Outsourcing manufacturing jobs and his boss Elon Musk certainly doesn't.
But the chips act supporters paired it with plans for chip manufacturers visas, which would’ve imported cheap indentured labor from Taiwan. It wasn’t actually going to bring jobs here.
And the government not footing the bill for these companies doesn’t prevent them from paying for their own factories. Especially if tariffs give them little choice.
The extremely well-paid and literally best-on-the-planet chip manufacturers? The highly skilled engineers with years of education and expertise, who continuously outpace the achievements of much larger companies and nations? The ones who work in a narrow field that doesn't actually matter for jobs reports, because they're such a small group of experts and the real gain in jobs for the economy would be the labor involved in building the fabs for them?
Calling them "cheap indentured labor" is just casual xenophobia.
Sounds like you have no clue about the abuse endured by H1B recipients in this country.
Or you’re just another bad actor trying to adopt the language of the oppressed to defend their exploitation.
H1B recipients are horribly abused, true. But that's because they're used the way capitalism uses everyone it considers replaceable - grind them down and move onto the next. Doesn't apply to - again - the literally best-on-the-planet engineers. They're not coding for Xitter, they can walk at any time and find employment and visas elsewhere.
No, they often can’t. That’s one of the worst abuses imposed upon them.
Engineers from Taiwan that have chip design skills? Yes, they can walk at any time.
You're taking a general case of H1B visa abuse--which is completely valid in broad terms--and applying it to a specialized case where the materials conditions are different.
That seems an expectation formed based on opinion of how things should work, and not in any way a reflection of how US capitalist policy has ever actually worked throughout history.
It's exactly how it works for people with highly specialized skills.
Yes, when they are in conditions that afford them reasonable employment protections. The chipmaker’s visa would make slaves of them. If they quit, they’ll be deported back to China, and I expect charged with treason when they get back.
Why would people from Taiwan be deported to China? Even if the US wanted to punish them, Trump hates China more than anybody else.
With a growing number of ARM and RISC-V manufacturers out there, people with these skills are in high demand. You're completely off base.
The whole point of the chips act is bring chip manufacturing to the US so we’re no longer disputing sovereignty for Taiwan to protect the chip manufacturing industry. If we get to the point that we have imported laborers from Taiwan manufacturing chips in the US, the US will no longer be defending Taiwan the way it is now, and it will be firmly under China’s control.
Any indentured servants here on a chipmaker’s visa will be fully aware that quitting their jobs will likely result in deportation back to China, and all of the legal ramifications they’ll face back at home. This is already an issue with h1b’s, and will be dramatically worse under this new visa with all of the foreign policy issues intertwined.
So many issues here. I'm sorry but you deeply misunderstand a lot of things about chip manufacturing.
These really, really, really are not laborers. They have nothing to do with labor. These engineers are effectively the same level of cutting edge as the scientists the US picked up after WW2. They are literally national resources - valuable pieces on the international game board.
No, they don't get deported to economic rivals. Ever. They are not cheap labor. They are line-item assets in the military-industrial complex.
If we treated MIC line-item assets well, Lockheed wouldn’t be constantly battling their workers’ union. And these people brought in from Taiwan will enjoy almost none of the same protections, including no fucking way they’d be allowed to unionize.