Political Memes

Sorry, that just reeks of propaganda to me. Donezk has a distinct national identity from before it was declared to be a part of Ukraine. Additionally, the region came under economic pressure through the talks between Kiew and Europe, which would explain why there would be protests erupting in 2014. Stating that these protestors were paid is a highly spuriops claim without sources.

This is the bare minimum I'm going to do. You can find references to protesters being paid on the wiki page

When was that supposed to happen? Back in 2022, Selensky spoke at the Greek parliament, accompanied by the Azov battalion. Since you accuse me of spouting propaganda: this claim seems like propaganda to me, as well.

Another Russian talking point. Feel free to show me how Azov was still an ultranationalist entity in 2022.

Russia wants to assert its status as a super power in a world where the US don’t allow for other super powers beside them. I thought it was well established that Russia has imperialistic interests, wasn’t it?

I guess you're capable of telling the difference between Russia's and Putins imperialistic interest, right? I'm going to stick with it's Putins imperialistic interest, not Russian. And he's doing a fabulous job by showing how his army was incapable of doing large scale invasions and his high tech arsenal can't beat decades old western tech, all an excellent showing how the only super power Russia has is its insane amount people they can throw in the grinder.

Ignoring the fact that what you’re going to hear from Ukrainian soldiers will be heavily filtered by Ukraine’s department of defense: AFAIK, That’s not (or no longer) Russia’s strategy. They’re currently very slow and methodical in kettling in their military targets. Ukraine is currently the one who puts their soldiers in the meat grinder by not evacuating Russia’s targets after they are considered to be lost.

I'm not ignoring that fact. I know that anything making Ukraine look bad won't come through the Ukrainian filter. I have no reason to think they'd filter Russia doing something incredibly stupid. Also source on Russia no longer putting their soldiers in the meat grinder (I guess technically they're not, they're now throwing Koreans into the grinder) and source Ukraine putting their soldiers in the meat grinder?

Yeah, that’s a good deterrent for war. So why do you think the war is still going? Because Putin is evil? I just don’t buy that childish logic which goes against any serious political analysis of anything.

So why is the war still going on?

BTW: Every state considers it justified to send outsits population into a war to secure its status as a sovereign.

Okay, that's justification for Ukraine to send its people into war considering their sovereignty is in danger. Whats the justification for Russia considering Ukraine isn't interest in taking over Russia?

Maybe, if you consider my point on the Ukrainian people (that should only give you context why I’m skeptical of Selensky). But the fact that the “good guys” are no angels definetly has something to do why “Putin just won’t stop”.

You just justified Ukraine using its people defending the sovereignty of Ukraine so your point about the Ukrainian people is moot because they wouldn't be needed to throw their lives away if there wasn't a war.

Ukraine has beefed up their military substantially between 2014 and 2020. That didn’t happen without the west’s help.

Which ONCE AGAIN wouldn't have been necessary if not for Russian meddling. For fuck sake how many times do I need to repeat this same point over and over and over.

And NATO is no stranger in involving itself outside its stated goals as a “defense treaty” (See: Kosovo war).

And Kosovo was bullshit thing to use NATO for.

I also don’t get how Sweden’s and Finland’s joining of NATO has anything to to with whether or not NATO provoked Russia.

That is an example of NATO not expanding when NATO wants to expand, which is usually the kind of bullshit argument Russian trolls make when they talk about NATO saber-rattling.

It is however a great example how NATO is used as an imperialist tool by its members, when you look at what Erdogan got out of Sweden joining NATO.

Example of imperialism? The great imperialist nation of Turkey? That's not an example of NATO being used as imperialist tool. Do you even know what imperialism means? fuck it, I'm not commenting more on that, that's just beyond my capacity to handle stupidity.

You’re accusing me of repeating Russia’s propaganda, I’m accusing you of repeating NATO’s propaganda. But at least I know that you shouldn’t trust either imperialist.

Kinda a weird accusation considering you have literally given zero examples of me using NATO propaganda, unless you think everything I say is NATO propaganda. Also weird to claim you know to not trust either imperialistic entity but literally present Russian propaganda as your argument.