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Joe Exotic posts on instagram that his husband was deported by ICE after years of shilling for Donald Trump.
this post was submitted on 03 Mar 2025
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I doubt that Joe Exotic has been married at any time in 2025
It seems they were not married as of 1st November 2024
Fine, but they can refer to each other as husbands if they like
Well, yeah, but I believe the implication is that if they were legally married then Exotic's husband should be a US citizen and shouldn't have been deported.
No? You can marry foreign nationals in the US I'd hope
Other way around. A US citizen marrying a foreign national grants the foreign national a path towards citizenship.
After looking further into it, however, it's not an immediate thing. It seems to take 3 years before you can apply for citizenship, and of course you need to remain in the country legally for those 3 years.
A "path" towards citizenship is vague and doesn't really matter in this new world. ICE has been rounding up noncitizens that are married to us citizens. This has been happening and will continue. This link isn't even the story I first thought of when I was typing this reply.
https://www.newsweek.com/texas-immigrant-arrested-ice-deportation-mixed-status-family-2027517
But there's also the assumption that one wants US citizenship which often means giving up any other citizenship you have
I think that even if they were legally married, there are instances where they can still be deported. If the person went into or stayed in America "illegally", they can be deported regardless of marriage status.
That's bullshit. The government shouldn't be deporting people for refusing to participate in their system of regulating love. Just let people live where they want.
One can comment on the reality of laws without believing they're moral.
Exotic didn't mention legal marriage. Why's everyone making it about that?
It was ambiguous.
Note that might have legal consequences: if they expressed that in a court session it might be considered perjury or contempt of court. In general, people don't like being mislead, so using sentences that are easy to misinterpret when you could have used a more straightforward sentence will probably lead to trouble.
Some consequences of "represent[ing] to others that the parties are married" can be considered quite negative: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/no-home-or-kids-together-but-couple-still-spouses-appeal-court-rules https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_United_States
Perhaps they weren't legally married but had some kinda tiger ceremony followed by a sweaty handshake..
Marriage isn't a legal construct. The government doesn't have the right to own people's relationships. They can say they do, it doesn't make it true.
Traditionally marriage is about property rights, for the spouses and children. As such it was effectively a contract, and this is very much in what the government is for, since they will be the ones enforcing the contract if the parties disagree.
In the modern USA especially, a whole package of benefits is tied to being married, from health care to pensions and so on. Again, the government literally must be involved.
All of this is probably the main reason that people pushed so hard for gay marriage. Not having access to all of that was real discrimination.
I would love for marriage to move from being a special thing to being like any other contract, but it would take decades of work to begin to untangle it from the current model.
Then we should just get rid of it
The amount of religious Americans does keep falling. That is probably the biggest hurdle to getting rid of state involvement in marriage. But you're looking at probably 50 or 100 years before enough people stop believing in Christianity for this to be possible.
Well, assuming any kind of democratic government. If some authoritarian takes over, then what the people want won't matter. Although it's looking more like a Christo-Fascist state than anything else....
Sorry guys, I agree with this take. The tricky part is the legal stuff tied to "single" or "married", etc but we shouldn't have distinguished based on that anyway.