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This is precisely it. Internally, Microsoft's SREs perform multiple levels of capacity planning, so that a product might individually be growing and requiring more resources over the next few months, but a department might be overall shrinking and using less capacity over the next few years. A datacenter requires at least 4yrs of construction before its capacity is available (usually more like 5yrs) which is too long of a horizon for any individual product...unless, of course, your product is ChatGPT and it requires a datacenter's worth of resources. Even if OpenAI were siloed from Microsoft or Azure, they would still know that OpenAI is among their neediest customers and include them in planning.
Source: Scuttlebutt from other SREs, mostly. An analogous situation happened with Google's App Engine product: App Engine's biggest users impacted App Engine's internal capacity planning at the product level, which impacted datacenter planning because App Engine was mostly built from one big footprint in one little Oklahoma datacenter.
Conclusion: Microsoft's going to drop OpenAI as a customer. Oracle's going to pick up the responsibility. Microsoft knows that there's no money to be made here, and is eager to see how expensive that lesson will be for Oracle; Oracle is fairly new to the business of running a public cloud and likely thinks they can offer a better platform than Azure, especially when fueled by delicious Arabian oil-fund money. Folks may want to close OpenAI accounts if they don't want Oracle billing them someday.
@corbin
Obviously Oracle and OpenAI are also expecting to soak the idiot in the White House for billions and billions of taxpayer dollars.
Breaking up with Hitler to date Pinhead
Moving up in the world. At least Pinhead takes people sightseeing.
geez, at least spoiler-tag a jump-scare this big
first I hear of the notion that oracle would pick up and carry that. is it your hypothesis, or also from whispernets or so?
(not doubting or whatever, just curious. Oracle seems like it’d be allergic to saltman’s nonsense but given how well he can grift maybe he sold them..)
We can read between the lines for ourselves. From OpenAI's announcement of Stargate in January, the only equity-holder who has built datacenters is Oracle, and the only other technology partner who has built datacenters is Microsoft. They claim that OpenAI will be operationally responsible, but OpenAI doesn't have a team dedicated to building out and staffing datacenters. In related reporting, Microsoft relaxed its exclusive rights to OpenAI's infrastructure specifically for Oracle and Stargate. As for the motives, I'll highlight Ed's reporting:
nod, I get what you mean. probably 70/30 (although I wish it were closer to 50/50) on whether oracle goes for it, but boy how fucking funny would it be if if were the 30 and openai was suddenly scrambling to find a home for their bullshit
haven't really had the headpsace to read into the stargate mess whatsoever! it is funny to hear that the borderline-ouroboros is still hungry but I'm not sure if it'll, y'know, Learn From This